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 | RA Review Whether or not a rehash of someone else's work is deserving of review is debatable, however when you consider the inescapably ubiquitous popularity of the Wolf & Lamb extended family, and the stupefying delirium their edits series invariably inspires, Soul Clap's latest instalment is at least a good..
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| #1 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 13:19 I don't agree with this review...
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| #2 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 13:21 Is this a joke? This is a great record. Extravaganza alone deserves at least 4.
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| #3 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 13:58 But wasn't the charm of the re-edit all about unearthing that forgotten gem, cutting the crap and dropping a time-bomb on modern sensibility?
indeed it was. insightful review.
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| #4 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 14:03 (Edited: 25 Sep 10 06:44) this review is some bow-shit. ;P
Until everyone starts doing the same, its hard to say it is lazy, when it is a good idea.
I'd say its more on the sleazy side...and women with thunder thighs and quake makin cheeks seem to love sleazy guys, since the good boys won't give them luvvv.
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| #5 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 14:22 i agree, weak release. weird because they are usually so good!
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| #6 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 14:30 I gave this a spin my local record shop some weeks ago, the review is right, its total garbage.
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| #7 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 14:34 nonsense review.
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| #8 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:03 Extravaganza will rock dance floors. That is what its about!!
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| #9 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:07 Dreams of tomorrow is one of the best afterhour tracks I heard this year, it has so much soul. Extravaganza and sex in the kitchen are both fun, I think the reviewer is taking this way too seriously. That water drop in r kelly's track is of course ridiculous but it makes me smile. Soul clap have made better edits than this one, but 2,5/5 is too low!
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| #10 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:31 Think this is a fantastic, fun EP and probably a little better musically than the reviewer gives it credit , but it's not a nonsense review at all as he raises some valid points about them being pretty basic. In my opinion though that's kind of the point; they aren't that technically intricate at all, but they definately work. I'm for one am pleased they're in my life and Extravaganza especially makes me a very happy chap. 
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| #11 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:36 this is absolute rubbish but i really rate their latest 10' with Gadi
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| #12 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:46 This is still credible and well conceived music - and the dance floor definitely shouldn't get attacked for 'gurning grins'. Discerning grins more like!
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| #13 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:47 Rating 2???? is this 5 !!!. - of truth that all the track are amazing, if I would have to choose a favorite is not all perfect. one of the best ep of the year no doubt .... amazing ep
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| #14 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:48 (Edited: 6 Aug 10 15:55) hate, hate , hate, hate, when they told me a few weeks ago that my labels weren't underground enough to cover i was quite surprised, and disappointed, but when I read this review I felt like hey fuck RA, maybe it's better if they just ignore my labels from now on.
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| #15 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 15:56 I for one - shall not be ignoring Gadi's labels! By far the most exciting output for as long as I can remember.
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| #16 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 16:28 just give every review on RA 5/5
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| #17 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 16:35 Gadi, hasn't RA given you a ton of press since you've been in existence and helped the label immensely?
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| #18 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 16:38 RA is one of the reasons why W+L is currently sitting pretty where it is IMO.
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| #19 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 16:43 its not a re-edit ?!
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| #20 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 16:47 (Edited: 23 Jan 11 19:18) ,
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| #21 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 17:12 Hahaha! Nobody is "sitting pretty" because of an online "magazine"! It takes years of hard work and dedication. Everybody can please stop hating it's just music in a very small sub genre that 90% of people don't even know exists. Reviewer is obviously very very angry like king kong
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| #22 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 17:19 (Edited: 7 Aug 10 23:49) Posted by Gadi_Mizrahi hate, hate , hate, hate, when they told me a few weeks ago that my labels weren't underground enough to cover i was quite surprised, and disappointed, but when I read this review I felt like hey fuck RA, maybe it's better if they just ignore my labels from now on.
Missing the tongue in cheek? They have like 10 reviews of Wolf + Lamb releases alone. Quite a bit more than most other labels. This review is like reverse publicity for the label, you actually have people defending Edits, on a high brow high taste review site. Take it as a blessing.
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| #23 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 17:44 I went to the library today to take out the "Re-edit Handbook" but I was told no such thing existed. After being sad because I will never be able to edit a track by Resident Advisor standards I had a moment of clarity. You can re-edit ANYTHING your heart desires! If I wanted to re-edit your mom, I could do it if she was in the same room. Clearly, there is much more to this than just throwing a kick on it and I find this review to be rather ignorant. Did you even listen to the original? I think that in a time of shitty music and shittier reviewers we need some fun. Soul Clap, if you can't tell by now , has A LOT of fun. If Soul Clap wrote tracks for dudes that would rather stroke their chin at a club instead of getting laid, they would probably not be touring all around the world making girls go crazy. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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| #24 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 17:49 Posted by ryan3 Gadi, hasn't RA given you a ton of press since you've been in existence and helped the label immensely?
Yeah, they have, and am grateful... I do feel like saying fuck RA sometimes though...don't you? 
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| #25 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:06 this is a pretty awesome release. Lots of fun all around.
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| #26 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:08 Tanner for the win!
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| #27 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:23 Yes from an elitist techno snob perspective this review makes sense.
From the let's have some fun and dancefloor perspective, the review doesn't add up.
Different tastes and opinions. This is a really fun release that I found myself reaching to play quite often to lighten the mood and crack some smiles.
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| #28 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:32 Haha. Extravaganza is track of the year so far.
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| #29 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:42 haven't listen to this release, but the reviews sounds already like a good one 
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| #30 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:43 wolf + lamb opened my dance for slower house & disco . and i am very thankfull for that. you can actually make a lot more of them freaky and flowing moves to it. WHEN I first listened to Extravaganza, i did not even had a fudgin´ clue who was singing (was never into RnB). I thought the soul clap guys did ask a friend, sung by theirselves... whuteva. It´s a brilliant song and two weeks ago, i found out it was Jamie Foxx´s voice singing. Still a soul clap thing. they put it into the context and the situation we are talking about , and yeah (!), as an edit.
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| #31 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 18:58 extravaganza makes my nips hard
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| #32 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:02 Posted by Gadi_Mizrahi labels weren't underground enough to cover
Just to be clear, this is not - and never will be - the case on Resident Advisor. We make no distinction between underground/overground when choosing what to write about on the site.
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| #33 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:10 ...and if anyone ever has any questions as to our reviews process, please don't hesitate to contact me directly.
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| #34 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:19 Posted by toddburnsPosted by Gadi_Mizrahi labels weren't underground enough to cover
Just to be clear, this is not - and never will be - the case on Resident Advisor. We make no distinction between underground/overground when choosing what to write about on the site. After speaking to Todd, it seems as if there was a misunderstanding... I take back the "Fuck RA" comment. I guess I can't help but get emotional about these things.
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| #35 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:19 good point. really surprised to see what they told you. "not underground enough" bullshit! however, keep doin' what you do, love all your projects, amazes me all the time.
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| #36 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:21 ehhh, if this had gotten the 3 and a half it probably deserved, people wouldn't bitch as bad... anything below a 3 and people freak the fuck out...
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| #37 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 19:53 love this release, one of the tunes of the year i think!
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| #38 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 20:13 Its fair to try and critique the musical worth of any release, but really its not like 'Extravaganza' is trying to be something it isn't, so its tough to take a review seriously that treats it as such.
honestly the review might as well have read 'RA gives having a good time 2.5/5'
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| #39 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 21:01 Posted by Gadi_Mizrahi hate, hate , hate, hate, when they told me a few weeks ago that my labels weren't underground enough to cover i was quite surprised, and disappointed, but when I read this review I felt like hey fuck RA, maybe it's better if they just ignore my labels from now on.
This guy is a kind of an egomaniacal-douche, huh? also thought so when I saw this:
www.residentadvisor.net/dj/wolflamb/feed?item=13296
I think I would have respected him more if he didn't eat his words later in the thread...didn't he pay lots of money to RA over the past? I have seen a few banners for WL releases on here, I would be angry too if I paid all this money and they later gave me a bad review...you buy fame and then they turn on you... damn
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| #40 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 22:04 terrible record...just so much hype around everything Soul Clap or W+L do these days. This is just so ordibnary, some extremely annoying R&B over some ordinary beats...can't stand this
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| #41 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 22:22 I haven't heard this record so I won't comment on the music but I have to laugh that so many commenters have made this a battle between fun and seriousness when that's so far removed from the actual review.
Reviews are not assessments of whether or not some punter can have fun dancing to a record. Lots of music is effective in that sense without being technically or musically interesting/inventive, but that doesn't make it good from a critical perspective. I can't imagine the W+L/SC defenders in this thread would be jumping to defend David Guetta or Deadmau5 for being panned on this score, which suggests the "it works on the floor, WTF are you talking about" argument just doesn't hold up even when applied to stuff you like.
Yes, dance floor utility is important to dance music but that shouldn't be the be all and end all of an evaluation. And just because you like a record doesn't mean the reviewer is wrong if they feel differently - more than anything it probably means you're evaluating it on different scales. Music is not a zero sum game and treating it as such does nothing more than breed negativity in a scene that doesn't need more venom.
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| #42 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 22:53 Posted by stevemizek I haven't heard this record so I won't comment on the music but I have to laugh that so many commenters have made this a battle between fun and seriousness when that's so far removed from the actual review.
But its a record thats been made for fun, reviewed in a very serious way. IE- Accusing Soul Clap of being lazy in their production? They found a way to squeeze in a pop song they loved amongst the other music they play out, thats how most edits like this start, as fun DJ tools. I just don't get the point of reviewing it in a way that tries to asses it as something it isn't.
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| #43 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 23:07 funny thread....seems to be more wolf than lamb ;-) in general i dont like if someone picks an existing song...edits it....puts a beat under it and brand it with his own name. because the basic song idea belongs still to the original artist....but maybe i am too old fashioned to understand it right.
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| #44 / Fri, 06 Aug 10 23:34 Apparently I was told by RA a few times when they reviewed releases on our label that when they review a release they don't necessarily review what they like and they don't tend to just big up records for the sake of it. They try to give an honest opinion of the record to start a debate amongst the users...I guess it works  As per doing edits, I agree they don't have to be necessarily the most well produced efforts but they can be a tool the dj/producer that makes them uses on their dj set hence production could be simple... In the case of this record I just think that the edits themselves don't work and they are actually quite annoying to the ear but that's my opinion...
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| #45 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 00:16 (Edited: 7 Aug 10 00:25) Jack, this is an amazing review and very good point, I have been debating this with a lot of people and it is indeed 'lazy'.
Respect to RA for putting out genuine reviews with true opinions. This is why reviews exist, bad or good.... its a review!! accept it, dont, fire at it but RESPECT IT. xx
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| #46 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 00:18 stevemizek .... nice1....said it all. xx
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| #47 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 01:02 (Edited: 7 Aug 10 02:35) Posted by ChrisLattner funny thread....seems to be more wolf than lamb ;-) in general i dont like if someone picks an existing song...edits it....puts a beat under it and brand it with his own name. because the basic song idea belongs still to the original artist....but maybe i am too old fashioned to understand it right.
Chris, I couldn't agree more! If it's an edit, than call it that. I wish some of these publishing and record companies would grow a set and start sending out some cease and desist letters. Enough with the edits, for real. Leave the original tracks alone. Better yet, get your hands on the 12" EPs. There's already PLENTY of original and officially commissioned mixes that exist. Not to mention 95% of this edits are complete garbage. Unless your Francois, Dimitri, Greg Wilson, Terje, Joey Negro and/or a small handful of others, leave the tracks alone. You're not doing anybody any favors. Not to mention what you're doing far exceeds copyright infringement and actually is more detrimental than illegal downloading or pirating.
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| #48 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 03:57 I enjoy their music, theyre fuckin awesome. AMAZING ARTISTS
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Next @ Klubnacht | #49 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 10:18 I fail to see the point in getting upset at what one guy thinks about a release.
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| #50 / Sat, 07 Aug 10 13:28 Posted by phiorio terrible record...just so much hype around everything Soul Clap or W+L do these days. This is just so ordibnary, some extremely annoying R&B over some ordinary beats...can't stand this
couldn't agree more. an utterly cringeworthy track. both the wolf+lamb sound and obvious label/artist pretentiousness (see Gadi's comments on here) is fast becoming it's own worse enemy. shame, because so many of their releases are so brilliant
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