Forward Motion = Summer of 2011

yep.

such a marmite tune - i amn't even sure where I stand with it

TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNE

love it

I would really hate it if this was Summer 2011. Is this where house music is going? Really?

hate to say it but, worst record i've heard in a while.

Interesting question, and the answer is: girls.

After a lengthy period when tough, masculine-sounding electro & tech house have dominated, underground house music is now as 'feminine' as it has been for years & years.

On the performer side, the likes of Maya Jane Coles, Deniz Kurtel and the Panorama Bar ladies are as 'hot' as any male acts in 2011.

On the audience side, there is a Crosstown / Hot Creations / Wolf & Lamb / Soul Clap / Troxler / Foss / Jones / Art Department axis that have succesfully turned a generation of women onto house music again.

Just watch next time you see them - these guys have a LEGION of female fans who follow them from night to night, trying to get near the front to see them. I honestly don't think we've seen this kind of thing before in 'credible' and 'underground' dance music.

It is girls that have turned these guys into popstars, which in turn is driving the direction of their music, and (given their influence) the direction of house music in general.

good answer dusk i agree with you. plus more girls is always a good thing.... on a side note i should probably hate this tune as im not really a fan of jamie jones lee foss ect in general. however i dont mind this one. its cheesy yet catchy and i find myself humming the chorus alot. come the end of the summer I will probably end up hating it though as I suspect it will get beat into the ground

Techo and house will always be a cock fest!

Exactly Dee, in nightlife, where girls go, the boys follow.

That applies to both punters and artists in 2011.

+1000 to that!
Tune is wikkkedd, reminds me good ol' Derrick Carter/Classic/Doc Martin/late 90s californian house daze...and them were girlz days!
Next one on the rollercoaster : Danny Daze "Your Everything" HUUUGE!

+1000 to that!
Tune is wikkkedd, reminds me good ol' Derrick Carter/Classic/Doc Martin/late 90s californian house daze...and them were girlz days!
Next one on the rollercoaster : Danny Daze "Your Everything" HUUUGE!

My head has mixed feeling about this one. But my feet can't stand still when I hear it

It's a good tune but things like this come around all the time, I guess house music is a bit like fashion, it tends to go in full circle changing only slightly every time. Seth troxler, jamie jones, Lee foss are all cool their just bringing something different to house! And we all like different because if we didn't we probably wouldn't be listening to house music at all!

I think Lee Foss is making some great music right now. Call it what you will, 'feminine', pop, whatever. Yes most of his productions sample R&B and hip-hop from the eighties and nineties but he's helping make house music more accessible and he's putting his productions along side more classic material (nineties house, UK garage) in his mixes. This right now seems to be the trend, right? Love the track, just hope it doesn't get too overplayed...

I think that people should just get used to it, or they can always go and listen to techno or whatever it is. I have always been a big house fan, and now that the music is going more this way, with some disco, and other friendlier genres I feel very pleased with this new direction. I for one, cant stand the repetitiveness of techno, at some point I did find it interesting but not anymore.

Anyway, people shouldn't be whining about it too much, there are still other manlier choices for you.

And yes, have you seen the legion of hot girls in front, behind, and around them? I freaking love it! It's a better sight that's for sure ;-)

Don't get your hopes up too high, after Seth Troxler danced to this like a monkey at Timewarp EVERYBODY wanted to get a hold of the track.

Jamie was playing this track since late November of last year and has been very strong since then... some people are just now catching to it since it was just released, so it's probably going to be around for a lil' while!

The thought of how much i'm going to hear this track over summer is making me want to self harm.

like b4 the bentley but really dislike forward motion. i'm a big fun of jj, lee foss and the fusion of house and old skool rnb but for me forward motion represents a fusion of house and contemporary (ie crap) rnb

track of the year so far! it's got this sexy (gayish, if you like) quality that's always welcome in house/dance music.

I think 4 is too little, I Would Give to 5 and to 4.5 in That case, this is too awesome ep all tracks. Was Been Better if 'ice cream party' WAS out more extended, and That in this time is dficil play.

Catchy indeed but that is not always a good thing. In my humble opinion, this is a terrifying record...terrifying if this is where the 'trend' is going. Oh dear oh dear.

Exactly! This new wave if house is nowhere near as overtly sexual and camp as what came from Chicago and NYC 'back in the day', but it IS putting some of that vibe back in.

BUT... the genius of these producers is in diluting the cold androgyny of techno that's dominated for so long, while using enough of its angular sensibility to subvert and mix up the sexual connotations behind soulful lyrics, to stop them becoming insincere, cheesy or cloying.

Look at the the biggest tracks of the last two years as voted by RA readers. 2010 RA winner - Art Dept 'Without You' (enough said!) 2009 - Joy Orbison 'Hyph Mngo' (a track that wouldn't be anything with the sexy R&B vocals.) IMO femininity has ruled dance music for at least 2 years.

And compared to winners of 2006 (Martin Buttrich) 2007 (Kabale und Liebe) and 2008 (Koze) I'm please things are heading this way.

See I disagree with this. I get what your saying but people like Maya Jane Coles and Deniz Kurtel are known so much more for their production than their sets, and their production doesn't sound 'female'. Do you really think their sets would attract the same sort of numbers as a Jamie Jones or a Loco Dice? The answer is a no. So they are not 'as hot as anyone'. And their production is getting played out by male djs. How is this any different to what Magda and Cassy have been doing for years? Have they inspired a mass of female audiences and djs to follow them around? No they haven't.

With your point on the audience side, Crosstown/Art Department/Troxler etc have made it very easy for a new bread of clubbers, and you are right a lot of them are women, to go out, have some MD, drink cocktails and look down their noses at you because you aren't stacked and wearing a vest. But you ask these people what their favourite Marshall Jefferson track is and they look around at you and say Marshall who? These guys have done this by playing music that doesn't push any boundaries but is catchy and easy to dance to, and fair play to them. I enjoy Seth Troxler on occasion but I don't think he is super talented. He is very smart though as he has recognised that all the girls want to shag him and all the boys want to be him, and he plays on this with his image. This track is just indicative of that and I don't think it is going anywhere. Let's hope Ricardo or someone else who is musically super talented does something that does push the boundaries and a new craze starts, because I loathe this shit and the type of audience it attracts.

First off we're into subjectivity but I'd argue there IS a thread of 'femininity' to both their work!

Deniz Kurtel's lyric - "can you feel the love? let me feel the love. i'm in love with you. you're always on my side" is unlikely to make it into most male producers' tracks IMO... and the female vocal stabs in Maya Jane Coles 'What They Say' are fairly generic but I can't think of many house tunes that use them so sensually.



Seems like you might be a little bitter on your first point? There's always shallow morons in every crowd, you don't have to let them get to you.

And while I do understand what you're saying, WHY does everyone have to know their Marshall Jefferson? Every scene needs new blood. After growing up in a place and at a time where NOBODY else liked house music - least of all women - I'm personally overjoyed to see more people feeling it.

And all the girls I know who do go clubing, they ALL feel it. They don't just go for Seth Troxler's face and Jamie Jones' hair. Sure, those things might help, but so what?

I love Ricardo, I love skeletal, intricate minimal, I love all techno - but the fact is, alot of this stuff just doesn't resonate emotionally with women. It's male music. That's self evident in nearly any night playing it.

yikes!

I take no issue with the femininity of these tunes coming out - I don't see it as a consistent pattern that runs through all the hot natured / visionquest stuff. A lot of true house music is camp as hell - house music came from gay clubs in chicago! Chez Damier 'you ain't dancin' girl' etc...

What bothers me about this recent wave of dance-pop is the melancholy of it all. It gets away from what house music is all about - partying with a smile on your face! Not moaning vocals and swaying and pouting with your head tilted back. It just doesn't have the hedonistic, hands-in-the-air vibe of true house music.

I was in Miami this year for "Ultra Week", and saw Seth Troxler 3 times - 2 of them with Jamie. The only one of these sets I enjoyed was the Visionquest 4-man laptop extravaganza at the Shelbourne - a really impressive show but give me Ricardo / Theo Parrish / any proper house DJ with 2 turntables and a mixer and he'll burn them every time.

On the topic of Jamie Jones...he is a DJ who I've seen many times over the last 5 years, and he's played some amazing sets - especially at Basics in Leeds. His sets used to be completely different - proper deep house and techno, and he was fucking brilliant!

I understand that Jamie's found this niche that's made him a lot of money and allowed him to travel the world and no doubt live out a lot of his dreams - I'm not gonna begrudge him that by any means! Who wouldn't wanna play parties on the beach in Mexico?

But to have him bringing this pop sound into places like Circo Loco is irritating - this music is not Circo Loco music, and he and Troxler (and I hate to say Clive Henry - a Circo Loco hero who should not be a part of this trio) wasted the best set of the whole party (the sunrise) and were made to look incredibly average by Davide Squillace and Matthias Tanzmann at Circo Loco Miami. They came on straight after Jones, Troxler and Clive, and played a proper selection of house and techno littered with latin percussion, clicks, bleeps and "Circo Loco Madness" - it was fucking brilliant.

Then the other week we had the news that he's been booked for Cocoon this summer - I believe the lineup is Richie, Ricardo, Marco Carola and Jamie. Again, I'd be willing to give Jamie the benefit of the doubt if I were going - he might rock up and play a proper techno set...but I could probably name about 50 dj's who would be better suited and dare I say more deserving of a set at the Ibiza's most famous TECHNO night. Dettman? Liebing? Beyer? I'm not a massive techno head myself, but anyone that doesn't see Jamie Jones playing at Cocoon as a bit ridiculous needs their head examined!

OMFG!!! Get over your techno high horse, if you want to listen to that there are SO MANY DJS who still do techno!!!! I get it, for the first time in a long time techno is not at the top and is not as hip and popular blah blah and it hurts... geez, I dont understand why the techno snobs have to be so fucking stuck up.

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I disagree totally...I don't go out that much in London but i see what happens in Berghain and you'll find loads of girls into banging & dark techno...in my opinion there is a lot more emotions in a Ben Klock set than in this kind of fast-food house music...

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Wow, only only only on R.A. will you find a thread so full of haters that they complain about more good looking women at shows and drawing a new audience to electronic music.
I've got news for you not only does electronic music go in cycles, scenes do as well and if new clubbers aren't coming into scenes, they shrink and suffer and so does the music in general. Moaning that a specific subgenre of music (which by the way seems to be generally crtically well reviewed across the board) brings a chunk of good looking women into the contingent of new listeners is downright the stupidest thing i have ever ever ever ever read in an electronic music discussion.

Everyone has their own personal taste, if you feel this music is disposable, gay, and not inventive you are definitely in the minority. If you don't think it's skillfully made and has musical merit you are also in the minority but it doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your opinion.

But what a silly thread, from someone making fun of a black dj for "dancing like a monkey", to complaining that new clubbers couldn't hold a conversation about marshall jefferson, really people get a life.

Well said markula.

Also, that comment about Seth dancing like a monkey was straight up racist!!!

it's overtly racist, and implying that women inherently have bad or inferior taste is overtly sexist. seems like the sort of talk that comes from lonely bitter losers.

really enjoyed reading this thread, also I liked the EP!

This. And while we're (sort of) on the subject, Soul Clap are the house version of Puff Daddy.

This could be interpreted in a number of ways? What exactly do you mean?

Never once in this thread has somebody eluded to women's taste being inferior to men's or that they do not want to see good looking women out, and I don't think the guy was being racist by saying he was dancing around like a monkey, I just think this was the wrong turn of phrase. But I am getting up on my high horse and saying that this is easy listening and it is indicative of music of today. What is the difference between this sort of 'pop' house and what David Guetta is doing? It is by the numbers, but because Guetta isn't seen as 'cool' by the people on RA he get's shunned, and because the visionquest/hot creations people are, this type of pop house is the best fucking thing since sliced bread. Would I still be in the minority if I were to say this isn't as skilful as or deserves as much musical merit as early Carl Craig production and work from Moodymann, The Field, Kevin Saunderson, Plastikman, Theo Parrish or Ricardo Villalobos? Course I wouldn't be. I was going to make a long drawn out reason why shit like this has made Berlin so much more important to house and techno than Ibiza, but you will probably argue against that too. There is always Berghain I suppose. And Kazantip

you must´ve lost your mind, calling someone racist just like that. i saw this timewarp video, he was dancing - and somehow acting like a monkey.

i like almost 50% of the visionquest/hot natured/culprit stuff which has been coming up lately... but some tracks are extremely whack and their sets don´t impress me either anymore. last week i saw ryan crosson & shaun reeves at robert johnson and it was the worst set i´ve been listening to for ages. no substance , no emotional content , no surprising moments , traktor made and constantly going on in the same lameness the track before was.

and i love some pop-y and "feminine" (??) tunes, but it takes something special to create a certain emotional truth within it, which is missing quite often in their tracks - BECAUSE THEY TEND TO PRODUCE THEM AS BULK GOOD

Wow, allow me to get this straight, you are seriously directly comparing the musical merit and skill level of Hot Natured to David Guetta?
You have seriously lost all credibility with me in this conversation and I won't be reading anything else you have to say.

Does this site have an ignore this person button?

Yeah cause Jamie Jones doesn't know shit about house music. Please. You have no idea what you're talking about dude.

It's ok to not like a record. Beyond that it isn't necessary to make up reasons why it is or isn't a valid work. These guys didn't start DJing yesterday. They know their shit and are doing their own thing. Comparing this to David Guetta and Ricardo Villalobos in the same thread is absolutely absurd. Breadth and variety in dance music is a wonderful thing. No reason to slam music just because it isn't exactly what you like.

SOME PEOPLE WANT EVERYONE TO LISTEN TO SAME THING SO THEY GO ON INTERNET FORUMS AND BAWWWW - IT'S SO STUPID AND BORING AND THEY ALMOST ALWAYS MENTION "SO AND SO NOT KNOWING THE ROOTS" - IM INTO BLOWJOBS BUT I DONT KNOW ALL THE BEST BLOWJOBS IN HISTORY DO I STILL LIKE BLOWJOBS? hey girl

(yes, it's the same thing)

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Or rather, you can't read.

It gets me going...definitely a track for grinding..

This thread's hillarious. Carry on!

I guess over-exposure breeds contempt...The record isn't as awful as people are making out, not my favourite piece from this label though...Forward Motion minus the vocals would work for me

Well said! He obviously can't read. In no way did I day he knows shit about house music, I said it about the crowd that he is attracting. Jamie's a smart guy and knows that playing this sort of stuff is going to make him a shit load of $, regardless of whether he likes it or not. One thing that this sort of music is doing is arousing debate which is never a bad thing. I love the way Markula totally swerved the rest of what I said previously and just picked out a certain aspect of it. Maybe because he knows that this isn't anywhere near the sort of musical skill level of all the producers I listed above.

SINCE WHEN IS THE CROWD REQUIRED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOUSE MUSIC?

so they can stand with you in the corners of parties with arms crossed TALKING about house music while everyone else dances and has a good time? it's like you hate fun and blowjobs