By the way this pic of mine in here is taken @ Tresor!!!!!!!!!!
And i don't work there !!!I just go everywhere to just PARTY!!!!!!!XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXthank U RA

This Phase3 guy really needs to chillax a little bit.

I went to Berlin back in February (I'm from London), with 8 other friends

This Phase3 guy really needs to chillax a little bit.

I went to Berlin back in February (I'm from London), with 8 other friends who are a mixture of people who are into all sorts of electronic music, as well as a couple who were quite new to the club scene.

We weren't admitted into Berghain, after the girls we were with refused to wear flats and dress down a little bit (one of which works behind the bar at Fabric), this was to be expected but I thought we'd give it a shot anyway.

Over the 3 nights we were there we went to Weekend Bar and Watergate. Watergate at first wouldn't admit us until I spoke to the bouncers about us visiting the night because we wanted to catch Maya Jane Coles and Heidi, but couldn't remember who else was on the billing.


I personally really connected with the city, and feel that places like Watergate (although may be a little superficial in looks) are pushing the right vibe and attracting the right crowd.


I'm new to the history of Berlin's underground, but feel this is a good starting point for me to explore other avenues for when I hopefully visit the city for a second time, next year.

A great watch and listen.

agreed, i really liked the city but wasn't sure about the venues we tried to get in - Berghain, weekend etc... I had a better time at Maria de Terrasse - is that still open? Next time I go I think I'm going to avoid the more well known places and try and find the underground side of Berlin

Well obviously if you come from somewhere as underground as the dresden house music scene you have all the hipster credentials to put me right.
I only care about the music, the rest is just a fucking nonsense dear.

you got it man!
you've said everything i was thinking while watching this "documentary"

... after a few thoughts,

i think the best thing for these doco's is for the comments section to be closed.

so wtf am doing posting ??

ahh RA wakes up and smells the coffee:
www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1434

These issues have affected all clubs since time immemorial. The ancient Greeks probably had similar issues whenever Plato gave a lecture.

This is all just fucking bullshit.

Stop fucking whining and just get on having a good time.

That's the problem when cities get successful and international, they get successful and international and people from all over the world want to be there.

Boo fucking hoo. Its happened everywhere from C14 Venice to C19 London to C20 New York. Now its happening to Berlin, because yes your music, clubs & ethos are very fucking good.

Perhaps you could just be proud of that?

Don't like it? I suggest two things:

1) Build a time machine, go back to 1992 - Stay there.
2) Sit in your bedroom/favourite basement with the lights off listening to techno alone. Never come out.

As for Tresor, the place is a total fucking legend. Ostgut & Berghain can dream if they think they will ever leave a legacy to techno culture like the one created by the Tresor guys & gals.

Yes the club moved... To a deserted Soviet era powerstation... Hardly 'mainstream'. The club still books underground techno acts, scene stalwarts and upcoming acts, how is this in anyway selling out or not being real?

I was in Tresor last summer, it cost five euros to get in and I was in there for about 10 hours, Octave 1 played and absolutely tore the shit out of the place. If Tresor was in any other city than Berlin it would be considered the most cutting edge, underground & artistic/creative space in the entire country. Because its in Berlin it has heavy heavy competition.

Berliners should be proud they have not just one world renowned club, but several, not whining and bitching about who's the most underground & real and all that other crap.

3Phase is bang on, its infomercial not a documentary.
Documentaries aren't usually sponsored by clothes companies, its been made to sell clothes and clubs no more.

Funny....the Graffitistuff like at minute 16 with the Mic is normaly based in Hiphop-Culture, but Roar was in the early 90´s also making Technomusic for Planet Core Productions in Ffm. Nothing special... but this shows how a trace can go back again...

Oh boy...

Hipsters, hipsters everywhere

Way to go to complicate partying and pushing it into something more meaningful

"People wanted to escape reality.. bla bla... new adventure"
Ya right..
No, it's way easier: people want to party and people like to get stoned

Also that comment of the Watergate guy on their door policy was BS. They just want the club to look special and "VIP"

@3phase

Now you are just sounding like a complete and utter bellend. You've now gotten to the stage where are telling us that only Berlin people know how to go clubbing properly in Berlin. WHAT A LOAD OF UTTER FUCKING RUBBISH. Have you ever visited any clubs in any other cities in any other part of the world?? You honestly think Berlin dancefloors work in a special way that other dancefloors don't. Are you mentally slow? So Berlin people NEVER drop anything by accident anywhere after having a few drinks and maybe some drugs in them??? Non Berliners just come in and fumble around the place??? But you guys don't. Can you be more snotty and pretentious?? You think non Berliners are some sort of barbaric grunts who finish a drink and just drop it on the floor?? Are you serious???

Shut up and fuck off.

+100 to Claydoh and MahatmaCoat!

So firstly that's unnecessarily insulting, we don't need to descend to abuse,

I think the critical factor is wherever you go you should act respectfully and not go out of your way to piss people off, that's just courtesy.

Where I think 3phase may be slightly confused is the kind of people who visit this website, probably aren't the kind of people who drop bottles and don't give a fuck. I imagine most people who use this forum are really into the music.

So lets divide the tourists shall we:

Techno tourists: People who want to hear the best music
Inter city tourists: People who want to visit a city and to whom the music is secondary but want to tell their mates they've been to a great club

Its easy to tell the difference, ask them about music

I suspect there is nothing we can do about the latter, they are everywhere and while germans on the whole generally behave better than a lot of other nationalities, and arent generally aggressive they can still be pretty insensitive and obnoxious to be honest.

Its the job of the door monsters to keep out the obnoxious and let in the delightful, difficult job,

So having clubs in a big city where tourists are generally welcome, serves a useful purpose. 3phase's input into this thread has been positive by highlighting what he thinks these places are for, if you want to seel out the real berlin these aren't the places to go.

3phase and berlin needs to keep quiet about their underground, underground music scenes attract music lovers that are into it for the music, from this new sounds and styles get created because the energy from the people who love music encourages experimentation. Its progression. Music never centres itself in one place for too long.

I suspect Berlin as we know it and the spark it had may be dead already and the next underground movements are being formed elsewhere outside of the glare of publicity and advertising and marketing and brands and money. This is a natural process, popularity,branding, marketing and money always kill underground movements. When movements refuse to bite that apple they march on and get stronger as the drum and bass community made a conscious to in the mid 90s after apache indian brought commercial interests into the scene and it survived and still has a strong global community 16 years on, compare this to german hard trance / maximaal in the 1990s which went overground was spoiled by money quickly became formulaic because return on investment became the goal for the big money investors and died a very necessary death. If you want a scene to survive you have to keep it tight and refuse the poisoned apples on the plate.

** Germans dont drop bottles because they are used to getting their deposit returned its part of the culture here, Germans dont tend to waste money for the sake of it, when they can buy more beer

Kenbag and mahatmacoat nailed it. 3phase is being a snooty pretentious dick. Just a different version of that watergate prik.

Fucking get over yourself, its a crap documentary thats the only point that needed to be made, not descending into slagging people off.

WOWOWOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Who is so dull that they have to worry about who else is inside of a club to have a good time?
Just enjoy the music, your friends and don't take yourself so seriously.

ahh I need ot move to berlin..

The credits are wrong on that Pelon tune. That shit came out on Chain Reaction in the 90's, not whatever in 2010.

aka people who only want to post on their facebook page "Ive been to the legendary Berghain", ideally proven by some picture. These people (often rural, boring people who want to sex up their "cv" by adding some visits to fancy places) kill the vibe everywhere and the bouncers' job is to select these guys from those who really want to party. Time is an important factor here, because most of these guys leave relatively early, but bouncers are just as important. This is the reason why I strongly object ticket selling over the internet (festivals excluded).

Dixon

for a berlin virgin like me, this is fantastically sexy.

In many ways the comments fill in the gaps in the history. Regardless of the medium, the story will be told. The doc was the spark. It was great to hear Dimitri Hegemann's voice with no image of him. As someone who has known him for many years, he is the person to hear first talking about the scene in Berlin. Also good because Techno was originally militantly anti-image and anti-ego. How things have changed and how true that RA and other media have tried to drag Techno back to the tedious pop-star image bulllshit (MONEY MAKING) thing.Clever too, as Dimitri is not young and hip anymore and many would probably not hear what he was saying, instead wondering who the old guy is.

But the production values of this film are seriously flawed, and so are the ethics of the makers. You cannot intersplice Dimitri Hegemann talking about how they found the old Tresor space, like many of the spaces and like Renate more recently, and then show images of the new Tresor club. WTF!! Shit like that makes us wonder just what is true and what is fabricated. This why 3 phase has a legitimate concern that the film is just an advertisement. But I don't think so. This is just film making with no ethics or respect for historical fact.

Did that happen to be in September of last year...........because I remember seeing a bunch of English girls who clearly looked like they were having a hen party when I was there last September.......luckily we headed off to the Berghain around 1'ish and straight into Monoloc tearing it up, so no regrets!

at least they have tourists... I can count the Detroit regulars on my hands

People from LA?

They went a little too far maybe???


I liked better the two previous real scenes.... they felt more honest....

Can't believe that people even consider to do those things on your list!
But you're absolutely right! They are just not done!
And not only in Berlin, but everywhere!

Great stuff! Can anyone tell me the name of the song played between 08:45 -09:00 Would love to listen to the whole track!

Henrik Schwarz/Ame/Dixon-Chicago

It's no more/less insulting or offensive than anything 3phase said. I was just more direct

hey, whats it like for foreigners coming to the club? are they ok with letting groups in or is it a strict door policy??

Nice video and montage as usual, compliments!
But very partial. You find a lot more bad things and good (still) too!
And indeed you need another Real (and raw) Scene video for Berlin: you don't get out from a neverending 24h party so clean!

It's interesting to have a look to the soundtrack: most of the music comes from Ostgut Ton.
Berghain (The Club) and Basic Channel (The Music of Berlin) are missing: that's really real about Berlin.
This people is living with club music (@3phase we're all in it for the money, but in many ways..) but refuse to be part of all the hypness about it. No video and not welcome people who don't care about what it's all about (club/dance music or culture). Anyway they remain so popular they don't need to care about being hype.

Belin is history viva Cologne.

Ostgut Ton (nor the club) wanted to take part in this documentary, hence they are not in it.

Still wondering when the next episode will be released!

innit. I was wondering the same. It´s already the second week of October and nothing yet. I really can´t wait for the next Real Scenes!

To be fair, most of Berghain forum is full of this Berlin for Berliners BS. And if it were not for Detroit, where those godly Berliner pioneers of Techno had to 'steel' all their alleged genuinly Berlin music, there would be no Mythos Berlin. Talking about importing a Music style that grew in an industrially holed exoskeleton into another
bombed out exoskeleton. But that is how it worked: you squat the shit out of it, make it your own.
So if you do not respire and live that Music and are too drunk you will prolly not survive longer than 4 am, hence not grasp a singe bit of this magic Berlin spirit, which this Doc absolutely fails to reproduce.
I have never been to Berghain, do not live there and been only once in a rather unknown club, yet I was open enough to respire it and am until today. Slow the fuck down people, listen to some music in the Hard Wax store - it is the time you spend arriving at the dancefloor that counts.

Dear lord.

A while ago in Berghain a German guy wanted to break a bottle of poppers on the floor and asked me if that was a good idea. I told him it wasn't. So in fact you should be thankful to us Scandinavian tourists.

Why on earth should I allow myself to be pushed around on the dancefloor? Especially if the dancefloor is packed, there's nowhere for me to go when you push me, unless I want to push five other people out of the way. And even if there's space it's still stupid. Many times I have danced on the Berghain floor with acres of space around me, only to be pushed my someone walking past me. Why didn't they just walk around me? I don't hit people when walking down a crowded street, why should I be so impolite at a club?

I think pushing people is just as stupid as leaving glass bottles on on the floor.

I dont understand why all "real Berliners" have to be so fucking cocky!! Berlin is a "cool" place, but easy tigers, its not paradise on earth just because you have tonnes of unemployed youths that are into 4/4 beats and drugs to keep em going!

anymore Real Scenes to come? I enjoyed them...

I ve watched this over and over again.. cant get enough of it and its such an inspiration!

I just hope there will be more of those. You started out real great! Would love to hear about the scene in japan, australia, brazil or even barcelone for example. Keep up the good work! Anyway the three first episode are great! Thanks for that already!