Posted by Driscollobos

I find it interesting also that Finlayson has apparently made absolutely no effort at all to contact either Scuba or Kristan to explain their tweets - instead taking the easier option of taking them at face value in order to fit his theory.

Posted by Driscollobos
There is a debate to be had about sexism in dance music - but this and the frankly idiotic "boycott DJ Mag" piece on Ibiza Voice the other week are not it.

Posted by JohnThorpKristian immediately apologising...

Posted by ey1989


he didn't. he only apologised when he was pulled up for the comment in a music publication. following actually making the comment, he was very defensive and stood this ground. tbh, I can't read the guys reviews seriously anymore.

as for Scuba, the 'irony' / 'it was just a joke' defence is complete bullshit. replace the subject matter of sexism / misogyny with racism and see if that flies.

Posted by ey1989
if the other comments below the line of whatever article it was in the Guardian 'infuriated' him, then it is logical to suggest that a comment he found to be 'good' (and he didn't say 'good...heh') was one he approved of / agreed with.

then you take into account some of his other comments - ie, wrt to the London riots this summer, which were decided Daily Mail-esque, and well, 2+2=4.

now, yes - there is a possibility that this is a misinterpretation and he didn't mean anything bad, but he's hardly done anything to support that, has he?

now, I have (had?) a lot of respect for him as a musician, but this was a pretty ill judged and stupid thing to do.

Not only has he misread that Scuba & Kristan's tweets were meant to be ironic, he also takes Hannah Hanra's line about vinyl being too heavy for girls (which is obviously a gag to close her blog piece) at face value too.

Scuba & Kristan were maybe too flippant & didn't obviously telegraph their intentions enough - unfortunately people are too eager to take things written on social media the wrong way, regardless of intention, so sadly there's no room for subtlety in 146 characters.

Posted by MahatmaCoat
Pros & cons of modern feminism and identity politics aside, how on Earth do you know this was meant ironically?

Unless, of course you are Paul Rose, in which case, why are you attempting to represent something as complicated as modern identity politics in 146 characters, whilst risking simultaneously alienating a significant portion of your fan base?

Posted by MahatmaCoat
Driscollobos


Pros & cons of modern feminism and identity politics aside, how on Earth do you know this was meant ironically?

Posted by dialecticsines
yes yes YES!!! keep your machismo bullshit out of this music! if you feel the need to degrade women through your participation in this culture, you are probably a loser in the first place and no amount of good music will ever cure that. don't bring down the rest of us with your idiocy, stick to videogames and redditt if you wanna circlejerk with your buds about how "girls are dumb" because no one wants get close with a nasty manchild like yourself

Scuba
14 HOURS AGO
I wasn't going to respond on here, but since my email to the editor has been predictably ignored I guess I have no choice. I'm not interested in discussing the article, I'll stick to explaining how I have been misrepresented. The first tweet I posted related to my view of comments on the Guardian site, which I notice has been dissected above. Comments on that site are either obvious right wing trolling (probably at least in part by the sites own mods in an attempt to stimulate more posts) or fatuous left wing moaning. There is very rarely anything of any value to be found in the comments sections, but I get drawn into it in much the same way that people slow down for a car crash. It's been mentioned above that other posts I have made on twitter show me to be a rabid right-winger. I'd like to invite all of you to take a look at my feed, nothing has been deleted since all this nonsense started, and judge for yourself where my political views lie.

Now lets take a look at the comment I flagged up as "good": "The more I think about it feminism is not so much an ideology as a minority of women attempting to assert control over other women." Obviously the word "good" could mean a number of different things when used in an instance like this. It could mean that I agree wholeheartedly with the comment when taken at face value. Or it could mean I found some aspect of the statement interesting. Or I could have said it was good because I found it amusing in some way, ironic or otherwise. Or it could have had various other possible meanings. You'll notice if you've read my feed that I didn't make any other comment on the matter after the two tweets used in the article. Looking at the tweets in isolation (i.e. without being accompanied by an article accusing me of misogyny) you'd have to say my views on the matter were ambiguous. Looking at them in the context of my feed in its entirety I'd argue that the notion that I was flagging the comment as some kind of vitally pertinent literal message is at best unlikely.

Some of you seem to think I should make some sort of apology for all this. Well if someone took something ambiguous you'd said out of context and used it to publicly call you a woman hater then I doubt you'd be too keen to bow to the pitchfork-wielding rabble banging on your door either. Some of you will say that I should know better than to be vague about such an emotive issue on a medium like twitter. I'm happy to field direct replies from the usual idiots, but you'd hope that a journalist writing for a respected media outlet would have a bit more savvy. Apparently not.

There's a couple more points I'd like to make. Firstly, I think it's important to point out that even if I did agree with the comment in question, that would hardly make me a misogynist. A large number of contributors to the debate generated by this article seem to think that criticising feminism is equivalent to attacking the entire female gender. That is no different to the argument that criticism of Israel is inherently anti-Semitic. The relative position of women in society, let alone the dance scene is a serious issue and addressing the debate in such polarised terms debases it.

Finally, I'd just like to expand on my comment on facebook about journalists, which one person on here called "childish". My own experiences with journalists have obviously been mainly in music; one way a musician's relationship with the press changes as he (OR SHE) becomes more popular is that people want to actually talk to you, as opposed to sending you lists of questions which you are expected to write out answers for (thus doing most of the journalists work for them). I've done many face-to-face and phone interviews over the last few years and in almost every one I've had quotes attributed to me that directly contradict what I actually said, and that sometimes even contradict a wider point that I had been making over the course of the interview. Accurate transcribing takes time but is not intellectually demanding work, and the fact that most music journalists don't bother to do it properly is indicative of the quality of the vast majority writing on the subject, which seems to inspire educated people (sometimes to PhD level apparently) to research and write like GCSE students.
To those critcising my generalised view of the profession, I would suggest that you give a couple of hours of your time to someone who then ignores what you say and writes whatever comes into their head, and then do it repeatedly over a number of years, and see how frustrated you get. I've never previously bothered to respond to individual mistakes, but then this is the first time I've received a torrent of abusive emails for taking a position I didn't take.

The fact that music journalism is driven almost entirely by PRs is another symptom of this endemic adolescent laziness, although in fairness that phenomenon isn't limited to this area of the field. But the favourite trick of shoe horning a well-known name into a comment piece to attract attention, something which I suppose is a feature of the article in question (it certainly seems to have worked), is directly lifted from the kind of tabloid newspapers which I'm sure contributors to and readers of The Quietus would never admit to reading. The professional standards and quality of writing on here suggest to me that this site should accompany most of the rest of music journalism in the same direction as the News of the World.

Posted by scuba
If anything I should stop using journalists... believe me, if there was a way of cutting them out of the publicity chain I would be the first to use it.

Posted by RichardBrophy
So Paul, just to recap, you have no problem in ensuring that journalists 'have their job done for them' but you then complain about how lazy journalism has become?

You think the system is rotten but you'll do everything in your power to perpetuate it for your own commercial goals?

OK, now I get it.

Posted by skeller
At least rap music isn't misogynistic any more.. whew... Anybody hear that new Apple Da Juiceman track- "I Onlyz Fucks Wit Da Bitches dat be da Ho's?... 5/5....

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