Sorry I had to reply to this because you are on to something that really gets my goat about the hardcore continuum.

If you look at the theory as 'scenes that carry the torch for hardcore in their essence' you make a big mistake believing that this new house/techno thread that has eshewed it's way into the collective consciousness of all those who rejected dubstep in the brostep wars as carrying the arbituary/dna of 'harcore' then you are wrong.

Just because you view it from your own biased angle (i.e. bass music/post-dubstep/beardstep) doesn't mean this music get to carry on the narrative of rave. Everyone in this scene will undoubtably hate brostep/skrillex/the american vector of dubstep but in essence it carries on the lineage far more than the retrogressive, introversion/ inward looking 130bpm scene. For one stylistically the half-step/wub/modern talking developed is much derided but certainly more unique than anything you will hear in Room 2 of Fabric today. More importantly, there are far more ravers who are into this brostep stuff, and like it or not it still exists on the periphery of popular music, not exactly underground in the archaic sense/post-smart phone/broadband revolution.

Like it or not Skrillex and his ilk fly the flag for rave now. You can hear the arbitrary elements of hardcore in their music. The loud/quiet, the drops, the euphoria, the ecstasy vector is there far more. Yes, technically there is a dynamic shift when jungle formed its crack-induced chrysalis and morphed into UKG, but it is more about where the ravers/the masses follow, not the where the journalists dictate the direction. Like it or not, they congregate on Youtube, in the USA, at UKF gigs and not Room 3 of Fabric.

It is in their hands now. Nice as it is, the bassy house you espouse is merely an offshoot from a disgruntled band of 2006 era dubstep producers. No different from say, nu-skool breaks in the late 90s. Sadly just a sideshow to the main narrative, despite efforts by journalists supporters (often with self-invested interests in the scene) to try to canonise it or paint it otherwise.

RANT OVER.

Maybe these guys just like techno more these days and dont give a shit if they are part of the 'nuum'. Maybe why lots of people have moved to Berlin. Music of the nuum isnt the only electronic music to have ever happened in the UK.

Why does there need to be a "hardcore" or "rudeness" aspect to the music? Skrillex's music is pretty "hardcore"-esque with its euphoria, speed, and chaos but I thought we moved past the drug-fueled immature instant-gratification phase of dance music with shit like minimal in the 00s.

That aspect of dance music is long gone and it went with rave/jungle/hardcore and before that, the old school house.

I think the music has evolved to a better place than where it was before. Build your sets long, long, and longer, and let the progression be all the euphoria we need. It's always great to hear something like Energy Flash now and then but you can't build a set with shit like that

Really great post esp. this bit. The "underground establishment" might have tried to co-opt rave but it was always about the masses. And it's clear what the masses are into, not Joy Orbison playing Chicago knockoffs to 500 people in a warehouse.



No, it is long gone for you, and everyone else who got too old to handle it (myself included.)

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This is sooo wrong on so many levels. All you need to do is see how much Hackney Parrot goes off in clubs every time it is played to see that people in the UK still love rudenss in the music.