ahi ahi ahi!!!!

Fuck not!! ((

nooooo

fuck not,,

Fabric goes into protective administration all the time...fear not Frankfurt, all is not yet lost!

they kinda deserve it.

the last time i was at cocoon (like 3-4 years ago), it was not good. i have only heard bad things about it from people who went there since then.

let's hope they take this as an opportunity to rethink not just their business model, but also their creative/artistic concept. i wish frankfurt that a better cocoon club comes out of this.

(( Orrible.

Last time I went it was packed. I mean sardines in a can packed. Granted it was Sven's birthday and it was a while back... but this is still surprising nonetheless.

sad news

Always seemed a bit odd to me to have Hed Kandi and the likes at Cocoon

It's a big enough club, and frankfurt is pretty small.

Cocoon has long stopped being a proper club with a clear vision and unique musical proposition. Instead it became just another music venue, trading on its past glory, eclipsed by other, more vibrant Frankfurt clubs. Back to the drawing board!

Sad news. I've been only once in Cocoon club. I found it too slick for a techno-focused club. It didn't make me want to go back.

Cocoon was amazing, ive been there a few times and it was always a treat. LFP after party was the best. The surroundings, ice cannons, vibe, crowd and music never failed.

Such a shame it looks like the end. Hopefully Sven puts his hands in his pocket and pulls out a couple of mill to rescue the place

Exactly what Fringe has said is exactly what happens to so many clubs. They start off with a vision, then the owners start thinking they can get richer by putting in a top 40 night or three, and the numbers dwindle, as there are already too many of them.

Indeed - stick to the musical vision - a la fabric.

Seems like a club that lost its way. In my opinion the only way to keep a space special and true to its original vision is to have a very, very careful door policy. I might sound like a snob, but I no longer go to most venues, including Fabric, because of the people inside. People create the space.

People might not like Berghain's approach, but simply put, we should trust them. Only they know what belongs, and doesn't belong, in their place. And I for one am happy to be turned away from time to time if they believe its important.

Very bad news for frankfurt! I often visit this club, and i really like them!

c'mon guys, this has become a place for kids who want to listen to the likes of David Guetta, noone from RA should miss them. The house/minimal crowd has departed towards places like RJ, THW etc a long time ago. In 9 out of 10 evenings, cocoonclub was completely empty after say 3AM. Frankfurt's true problem is that Robert Johnson is likely to close soon, too, Cocoon has become completely irrelevant a while ago.

Interesting insight. Agreed.

It is quite telling that it took more than 24 hours for this announcement to even show up on RA. Obviously not so relevant anymore...


Seriously? Is this based on anything more than the word-of-mouth rumors that have been floating around for a few years?

the robert johnson thing is word-of-mouth, rumors have circulated for years, but it has never been so serious. Cocoon is irrelevant, but the Robert Johnson closing would be a disaster, would make me move to berlin.

even if it closes, a new decent club will come around. it's always been like that... (note to self: revealed yourself to forum as old fart.)

the frankfurt area has seen many legendary clubs die. omen, dorian gray, XS/box, kesselhaus (not sure if kesselhaus actually closed but they stopped doing electronic music parties at some point), schauraum, the first nordisk club, lissania essay, wild pitch club, die tanke, etc.

are the robert johnson rumours purely just rumours? or is it more serious?

It's a shame. Cocoon Club is one of the most beautiful clubs in the world.

I guess the problem is that the old harbour area of Offenbach where Robert Johnson is located is undergoing urban redevelopment ( www.offenbach.de/stadtwerke-offenbach-holding/holding/hafen-offenbach/ ), which is the reason for rumours about a possible closure of RJ. However, from the recent development plan it doesnt look like the actual club building will be affected. Hafen 2, another club and event venue located within the redevelopment area will be demolished and reconstructed just next to the building of RJ with a certain amount of funding by the city, so hopefully they are willing to preserve their nightlife. I'm just an innocent bystander hoping for this awesome club to stay right where it is.

Me too! I'll believe it when the closing party is announced.

It would be interesting to see how it might start a shift in the club scene in Frankfurt though, RJ has very limited capacity but a lot of highly respected DJs play there exclusively. But I'd prefer this to happen in a few years when I'm too old to care about whether Âme at Tanzhaus West is something worth attending.

It's not really about urban redevelopment, it was just pure mistake to open a club such as big as Cocoonclub in a city like Frankfurt. This project was so expensive and so ambitious that it was surely not possible to keep it running for a longer time. Frankfurt simply isn't Ibiza. And while we at it, the club had financial problems for many years, practically since opening.

Nice, maybe a new organisation can buy the building for peanuts??

And you knew it right from the beginning...
It is a proplem of unambicious bookings, not the capacity. The rare terrific nights with Sven, Above & Beyond and Armin van Buuren where jam-packed and parts of the crowd came with low cost carriers! Remember the "concert concept" with Underworld, 2raumwohnung and so on. Everything went a complete wrong direction for the last years, particularly free entrance for the whole summer before midnight, sponsored by a brewery.

The venue is too large, this could not have worked. The club was a zombie for at least 3-4 years, they should have closed the large floor to focus on the smaller nano club and only open the large floor once or twice a month with a stellar booking. On a normal friday or saturday, the large floor was completely empty, there is nothing worse for the image of a club,

On the RJ rumors: its not about the urban development project (some RJ representative told me this isnt a problem and remember, another club (Hafen 2) will soon open next door), its about money: guys like Magda and RV used to play for small fees and today they charge big big fees and it is simply not possible to have the club packed without a stellar booking. Rumors have been around for a years, lets pray they stay open and go there as often as possible to support them.

Would be a real shame to see RJ close, I always hoped to return after being a regular there in 05/06 when i lived in Dieburg. It is a special space (possibly my favorite club ever) though it is in the middle of nowhere and I was there at nights I thought would be rammed when they weren't. I only visited Cocoon once and had no interest in going back, it was incomparable to the warm friendly atmos of RJ, just a horrible super club with far too many posers, and this was back when it's music policy wasn't too bad. RJ closing would be a huge blow to Frankfurt, Cocoon wouldn't be.

I always had a nice time there, but there always seemed to be a lot of people who were there to be seen.

If I partied in Frankfurt now I would go to U60311, that's a real techno party.

Well Cologne is only one hour away on the train and is a better place to go clubbing in my opinion, Kunstpark Koeln is my favourite club in Germany, much more relaxed and liberal than cocoon.

interesting analyis of Cocoon's decline in German: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/cocoon-club-die-bruchlandung-des-ufos-11906704.html

Don't know about Magda, but i don't think Ricardo would ask for a big fee... You know, him being pals with Ata and all that... I could be wrong though.

anyone know where I can the cheapest Vans Shoes?

I thought so, too, before someone told me this isnt the case.I guess he still charges less than he would if he and Ata werent friends, but he makes a lot of money there. Which is a shame given the miserable condition he is usually in when he plays in Offenbach (same holds for Magda's latest appearance).

Interesting. I thought they were overdoing the star DJ nights recently (RV, Magda, Hawtin and Loco Dice within the last 5 weeks or so ... come on), but I would have never assumed that it would be a problem financially. And of course I know nothing about the economics of running a club, but it seems that those big nights are necessary for maintaining the image of RJ as the coolest small club on the planet where the biggest names play just for fun, but they can't scale that into more revenue on that night because the capacity is so limited. I think one of the big names every two months or so would be enough to maintain that image, and on the rest of the nights Roman, Robag, Innervisions etc. get the place packed without charging a fortune. I have a hard time believing that RJ will close because of this, but that might just be wishful thinking...

Thats the usual Golden October: last year, they had Hawtin, Carola, RV, Magda, Marc Houle, Zip, Daniel Bell, Efdemin and Rhadoo during October. And dont think Innervisions is cheap, I am sure Dixon is among the most expensive DJs in the world. Dixon and Ame will give RJ a discount due to personal ties (afaik, Dixon was an RJ resident right from the start), but they will still get big big fees. They are not cheap simply because they are nice guys ...
And neither Roman nor Robag gets the place packed, full yes, packed no. They generate substantially less revenues than the big names. Its a sad thing that a perfect club like RJ still needs stars to attract large crowds. Lets hope that some of the cocoon regulars (the cooler ones, please) join the RJ crowd, so revenues increase. Lets not forget that the GEMA raise is looming.

RJ was and is very profitable. The economics is totally different than for Cocoon. As of right now, it's unimaginable it will have to close for financial reasons.

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

nice

I grew up in the Omen / Robert Johnson and Cocoon Club. Nice Venues, they are. Sven Vaeth was and still is such a good guy and such a good DJ. So much Techno in Germany happens in Berlin, no wonder why this Venue closes. I always enjoyed it there and in the Robert Johnson. U60311 was never a good adress - but you see musch was going on in FRA.

I never went to cocoon club & never had the interest to, especially with RJ nearby, that will always draw me. It's my favourite club in the entire world, full-stop. Such a fab vibe & top-drawer clubbers. I doubt that RJ will close, it's got the right attitude & isn't a 'look-at-me' club, unlike cocoon.

Shame! Ibiza Cocoon is one of the BEST nights for SERIOUS MUSIC FANS of the whole Ibiza's club scene! SOLD OUT almost every night!! I wish people in Frankfurt were serious music fans like Ibiza or London then Cocoon Frankfurt would continue until the next generation!!! This is VERY sad for some serious music fans out there in Frankfurt :-(

Such a shame, is an amazing club and I am glad that I got to see it.
The VIP service was brillant!
RIP Cocoon Club, long Live the Cocoon brand!

In case the two previous comments werent sarcastic:
CC is all about selling out and VIP service, thats why the Frankfurt crowd (which is not so much into commercial glamour events, but prefers dark, dirty, raw parties) kept away from CC and forced the place into bankruptcy. Glamour and electronic music dont match in Germany,

Frankfurt doesn't have the population make up for a place like Cocoon. The Banker types and high rollers prefer places like Velvet, APT and Kinka, there's lots off this clubs like this in Frankfurt and I'm sure they make a mint selling expensive drinks to the look at me crowd, as for Cocoon its always had the problem that you get the druffi crowd and dont make enough on the bar. Also on regular nights the crowd seemed like 75% jungs and just didn't have a good vibe.

The smaller venues like RJ, THW have a way smaller overhead and seems to be more off a a community running the events, a lot more personal and made some good friends at these locations, I never made a friend at Cocoon. I lived in Frankfurt over 4 years and Cocoon was only full around big events like Timewarp when you get outta towners coming in and around birthdays, Hawtin and Co could fill the place but on average it felt empty.

Not surprising to see the place in financial trouble, i just hope that maybe Cocoon can downsize and maybe find a new place for a permanent venue? or maybe they just have to run label nights at Kinka.

The Club is to big for Frankfurt. By the way... Väth should have enough money to save the Club or not ? He get´s more than 10.000 Euros fee mostly for every gig... since more than 20 years...

Maybe he doesn't want to.