summary of the whole thing is highly demanded..

Well, for once, the whole thing is detailed, no hoax or different versions, worths the read.

Cliff Notes:

Promoter got himself in a pickle promoting an event with Lil Louis as headliner without actually confirming with Louis first.

Some guy named Youri saw The Talented Mr. Ripley one too many times.

Lil Louis thinks he's Thomas Crown with the ladies but looks like that crackhead from The Wire.

And for some retarded reason Lil Louis needs a f*cking basketball court and fitness center in his rider. Do some pushups in the hotel, nikkuh!

Well! What a Carry on!!!!!!!!

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We all like a window seat, but hey, isn't business class enough?

But seriously, the whole thing seemed a bit of a mess. Maybe a couple of phone calls might have halped a little? The site hints that this has been done a few times by Lil Louis. Wonder what his take on things are?

Overall, looks like the promoters in Australia were pretty amateurish in how they dealt with everything, summed up by:

"With no Paypal account and only this “company” account from his brother, we were diving into the unknown."

They should have pulled the plug early on, the signs were there.

paying that amount of money for a SHIT dj is fuckin stupid anyway....

Hopefully Lil Louis will come out with some kind of remedy to the situation, otherwise he could be done if more promoters find out about this...

Some of his demands are ridiculous;
an indoor basketball court in the rider; asking to be given all the questions prior to an interview, window seats only, ALL money up front 2 weeks prior to playing!!

And being paid the full amount prior to flying out, given proof of payment, and to not bother get on the flight? Unbelievable

Australian club scene famously has some real amateurs and also some dodgy promoters.
Who would ever accept 11k from paypal? They get a HUGE cut. Like 7%, almost 1000 bucks loss. once I saw that I realize the promoters are goddam clueless.

Bottom line, these promoters were amateurs, the mistake he made is tryin to accomodate them anyway. Then they couldnt even get payment to him. Thats a LONG flight to get on to find out when you land that the money mysteriously still wasnt in his account. They should have their shit together or not play ball, he said he needed money in hand before he got on such a long flight, they couldnt even get that done, and its one of the most important parts of the deal and building trust. How is he supposed to go further? He shouldn't have gotten on that plane. He was pissed about the extra stop but i bet he would have let that slide if the money was there like he SAID he needed, and he gave the reasons why (burned in the past)

Then like little children they go and create a libelous website and who knows what edits were performed on the emails they posted, this type of whining is actually criminal in most countries, to go public like this. Seriously pathetic. Djs, remember these names, Clarisse and Karim, and be warned. They have heart but dont know what the fuck they are doing and think its okay to take shorts.

PS -getting questions beforehand is completely reasonable .Every publicist in the world requires that for their artists.

what a clash

Ugly on everybody's part.

Hey David,

I'm Karim.

What your saying and what your nit picking are the simplest things. I'm not going to defend myself to you because some of your statements just sound like you really don't know the in's and out's of touring an artist - which is fine, not everyone is a touring agent.

To organise a tour for someone with a profile as big as Louis isn't a turn key process. It takes a lot of time and money and for the moon and sun to meet at a certain place for all of it to turn out well.

To answer your issues. Many artist accept Paypal. Why? Because it's a trusted medium for transfer of money and if there are any disputes then it can be used to sort them out. Paying directly into a persons bank account is very risky. Same reason why you probably don't send money via Western Union or to that mysterious bank account in Nigeria. Paypal fees are very low - nearly lower than banks for International Transfer, so probably best to get your facts right.

The majority of artist do not ask for 100% of their fee. 50% is the typical accepted form and the majority accept their fee to be paid before performance. The risk of flying 20 hours via Business Class ($7,000 USD) ticket isn't really that much. I'm pretty sure that if you were contracted for a certain amount and given your itinerary - it wouldn't be THAT much of a drama. The delay was trying to get 100% of the fee from the promoters. It's not an easy task. That was the delay.

The site was created to inform people in the community, both promoters, clubs and agents of the events that occurred. You may call me names and say whatever - but I'm smart enough to avoid possible defamatory action by just posting the truth ie. emails - unedited and real. What benefit would I have posting doctored information? It wouldn't be very smart?

DJ's remember agents? Yeah they sure do - and there are enough people we have toured throughout the years to know how we roll. This is the first time something like this has happened to us and we will make sure it doesn't happen again to anyone else when dealing with him.

Hope this put a few of your concerns to rest

K

Davids3536 - your a clueless idiot, and it's obvious you either are or know Lil Louis.

BOTTOM LINE IS: Lil Louis stole $12000, that money went to his bank account, or his brothers, and he stole it. Plain and simple. Theft, regardless of circumstance, is never acceptable

...and here I was thinking he lost his records during a stopover the whole time. A pretty ugly situation all round, but at least I can see how incredibly complicated it is to bring in an artist from overseas - particularly one that doesn't have any solid contact information.

Karim: Good on you for pushing on with the Boom Boom parties, after this debacle I would have given up. The 'replacement' party was still great fun that night, a testament to your perseverance.

Even if the promoter was not really professional or whatever, the dude stole the money that's it. That's a shame, the guys just tried to do their job properly, in opposite apparently Lil Louis just stole more than 10k $, that's not ACCEPTABLE AT ALL.

Bottom line is that it is simply civil theft. Johony he wasn't even bringing any records with him. He left his "cd"s in his bag that got "lost"

HI KArim, NO, I am not Lil louis, just someone who is ashamed by your behaviour. Are you going to call everyone that disagrees with your actions Lil Louis? There will be several on here, im sure. Dont expect sympathy from the Profesional community when you dont act that. This is absolutely libelous, and yes CRIMINAL in most countries. For example, where the hell is the part about you trying to get your money back? The story just ends there?

Im sure he would have tried to accommodate you when he didn't show, it seems from the emails like he even PERSONALLY was trying already, even though, as i said, it was amateur hour as far as he was concerned. I bet you approached him all half cocked or aggressively saying ' you sonofabitch wheres my money?' and he thought 'hey fuck this, I dont need this BS from them, let them get their money back in court and I dont care if I ever go to Australia to make up any gigs, not with these nimwits.'

I can just imagine you guys thinking it would be a good idea to post a website and try to publicly damage a legendary artist and leave out such a crucial half of the story as what has unfolded since he did not arrive. Im sure that was just a simple oversite on your part, huh? And judging by the timeline, you probably wrote him personally and when you didn't hear back immediately, you got angry and wrote some nasty or maybe even financially threatening emails.

And worse, you took it public instead of obeying proper adult channels, which is shitty and makes everyone look like the goddam mafia, or crooks, or sheisters or clowns - the artists, the promoters, etc. what a dis-service to the partygoing scene and to the partygoers who follow these forums. God dam immature is what that is.

aNd lastly, paypal is in NO WAY acceptable way to send 11k. Again- the fees collected by paypal would be nearly 1000 USD. Thats fucking retarded. The only acceptable way to transfer that amount is by bank transfer, which as he told you takes much longer, and he gave you notice to take care of it.

You bit off more than you could chew, then try to make an artist look bad without explanation of how or when you tried to discuss to make up the gigs, or at least get the money back, or half the money, or whatever it is you agreed and signed on for in the beginning.

You and all promoters should seriously meet whatever the money requirement agreed upon is, if there is one aspect not to disregard, its being shiesty when it comes to the money aspect. Do what you agree upon.

Because, of course he didn't want to get on any plane. He told you- you failed to meet what he said, whats he gonna do? fly literally around the world on the benefit of the doubt? fuck that.

now, you are on here the last person who should be agressive even if people are saying their opinions and you dont agree, because now you only prove my point, you are not abe to behave the way the business dictates when its about 10k and world tours etc...
artist be warned! nuff said

*makes popcorn*

Bio needs to be corrected to: "Pioneer, Icon, Mogul, and Douchebag are all words that describe Louis Burns a/k/a Lil Louis."

This IS ExCITING!!!

Louis sucks anyway. I gotta question a promoter that would go through that much trouble to pay that much money to such a crap DJ.

Are you sure you're not him or related to him? You sound awfully upset and angry on behalf of someone else

Lol at Jordaneke! So true. Not normal for someone to have such a reaction like that

Cross my heart! Dont know him, not related in anyway

Woooah, nearly slipped over on all that grease you speak davids3536

Words of advice - your words and opinions are just your own, because you think them does not mean that they are correct or fact.
There were a couple of fair points in your posts, but the way that you go on and on with your biased approach leading into hypothetical statements, continuing into rudeness, has lead me to believe that instead of actually having knowledge of the subject, you just have a very active mind, and jump at the chance to try throw your weight about. I think you have bull shited yourself.

My obviously correct conclusion that you are a DICK, comes from what i have previously mentioned as well as the fact that you don't know how to communicate in a normal manner.

The last bit i get to is....

With hopes up and a few sleepless nights - we were excited to know that Louis was finally coming to Australia..

Or was he?

Karim - what what happened between July and now then? Has there been no correspondence then?

^ the site's been updated by chapter each day. next chapter would be up soon I expect.

as said above by plenty of people, theft is never acceptable and that's what seems to have happened here.

we demand justice and the money to be refunded lil louis!

how could we complain about steve aoki's rider when louis asks for an "indoor basketball court"....
i personally love the guy, few people have been harsh saying he's "shit"...but there's clearly something wrong here

I would work Louis on the basketball court. That's a fact.

THIS IS A DAMN SHAME and a complete travesty!!! Let's start with this, Lil Louis HAS NEVER BEFORE MISSED A GIG! He is one of the most professional people in this industry, and has helped countless people in this industry. Secondly, his 38 year career is older than either of these young promoters and its down right insulting that they would ever attack someone of his caliber, with lies to boot. This along with the fact that you would air your business with him in public, and would even go so far to post his bank and government information shows your complete lack of professionalism alongside the fact that with your own words you failed to follow through on your end with a number of contractual agreements with the artist. The question is not Who is Lil Louis. It is "What is defamation?" Defamation in part, is defaming someone's character with lies and malicious intent. So let's prove whether you are telling the truth Karim, with this simple question. Name a gig that Louis has missed and bring me the promoter... Otherwise you are lying on Louis and disparaging his name.

It's common knowledge in the industry, among professional djs and promoters alike, that he has pulled similar stunts before, I'm sure other promoters will see this and come out and tell their stories (hopefully) so that everyone can see him for what he is...

Sure he has some great music. But why did he do this? @ABrandCalledU you are naive and clueless to what is going on, please go back into your box where you crawled out from.

You are lying! Name a promoter or DJ that could say Louis missed a gig. HE NEVER HAS!

The only conclusion i can draw from this is that you are a massive tool! Trying to justify theft??? Even if they were unproffessional, stealing 12K to teach them a lesson?! Seriously WTF?

lol you beat me to it. SHOOGLE is the very essence of house music. cheers

And I know Louis firsthand. On top of that he did his best to accommodate you and he did get on the plane and was stranded for days in Canada. And I have proof.

He didn't EVEN BRING ANY RECORDS. He never had ANY INTENTION of making the trip to Australia.

And for the record, the money he stole, that's apart from the 'sunk costs' that were the 5 star hotel and the business class flights.

@the_orakle- You sound retarded! He did bring music. What don't you understand about "Lost Luggage"? His music was inside the luggage that the airline lost. He didn't get it back until the following week.

You are also participating in this defamation now. Lying maliciously with no proof.

You say you have proof that he boarded the plane and had every intention of making it to Aus. Now might be the perfect time to air it. Sure as hell not going to go on the word of someone over the internet, isn't that one of the morals of the story here?

@ABrandCalledU Just wait for Chapter 8. All will become clear. You are not stating facts, I am. There is no defamation, just facts. There is no false accusations, just evidence.

@ABrandCalledU - Oh damn, the airline lost my record bag. Guess I can't fly to Australia now, I don't have any USB keys or a laptop or anything with music on it. Damn.

I've been to Australia a few times. I lost a bag one of them, I still got on the plane though.

There's some serious issues with the information presented in the linked biography.

What a fucking crock of horseshit!
Hype reaps what it sows. No DJ on earth is worth that. Respect to all parties concerned but Dude is not even that hot. Hire talent based on what's happening now. Not based on some idealized version of ancient history. Dude isn't doing anything new and hasn't in about 20 years. Why would anyone sweat him that hard to begin with? (No disrespect intended to any one). The true future of this movement has the chips stacked up against it enough already with the climate being the way it is. Add folly like this, and the culture gets bled dry by the hype machine. Quit booking names and start booking talent. It will cost you less. The artists will truly appreciate the work, and everyone will be happy. Promoter, club goer, and Artist.
Peace!

Haha thanks, much appreciated. If you ever need me to jump on a plane to play it very loud for you I promise I'll get on.

lol I'd love for you to, I do a night here in san francisco, maybe we can work something out if you're ever on this side of the pond. probably something a bit more modest than a lil louis deal tho lol. maxwelldub@gmail.com - cheers!

/resumes popcorn munching

definitely waiting for louis' side of the story. @karim hope you guys get your money back. 12k is quite a setback.

@amiralexander now why would you classify Lil Louis as 'Hype' and no talent? which is basicly what you're saying right? only because he hasn't done anything new? come on dude, you (an artist i consider to know his music) should know better than that. you sound bitter.., but don't hate the player, hate the game. ps: dig ur music