Yeah, Sorry MJ, the minute someone does something pretty bad like taking 12k AUD their character will be judged of course .
In the words of another MJ, its "human nature"! (see what I did there?)

it´s pretty clear you can see he agreed to perform 3 dates for a fee of 12k. he didn´t `perform them therefore he is not eligible to keep the fee. Pretty simple.

Alterstates you just sound like a super angry person

Anyone who would do a reschedule for someone who´s been this much a nightmare to deal with and who can´t even do a simple thing like get on a connecting flight or bring their music with them in a competent manner would be insane.

Also from you can read he was not even offering a reschedule tour, he was saying was that he would reschedule at another time and would do it if there was also Asian dates in there. Sounds pretty vague to me. And of course all this when he held on the 12k he got for not performing.

Aslo Pedern ' I was saying he could download music as a last resort if his bags didn´t show in Sydney )which I´m sure they would have. At the end of the day you make the best of bad situation you don´t f/ck over people and ruin shows because you F8cked up. (missing his own connecting flight and also not bringing his music on the plane)

He didn't have his computer, but I suppose he could've downloaded his entire set from someone else's computer if he skipped sleep.



He didn't know where his bag was. He had thousands of dollars of camera equipment in it, along with his music.



Did it stop you? Scroll back. I got insulted plenty from my very 1st post here for defending Louis.




This is another incorrect assumption.. Re-read the documentation please, Louis was extremely distressed that they'd lost his bag because it had very expensive video equipment in it. His fault he missed the flight? Wrong. Chicago flight was 2 hours late getting in.



No, I know an artist that can't leave the country because of a child support judgement, but he continually books every gig he can
overseas and gets his full fee up front. Louis could have *easily* just stayed at home if he wanted to screw someone.




No, it's not clear because he was on the phone with Clarrise informing her of the situation, so the statement he made *no* effort is also incorrect.




Wrong again, the money hadn't showed up in his account yet. Please go back and re-read




Wrong again. Ok, at some point common sense has to enter the equation. *IF* there was plenty of time for him to make his flight, Air Canada wouldn't have put him in a hotel and wouldn't have rebooked his flight for free. A Brand Called You posted the missed flight and lost baggage documentation, I guess you missed it?




What I saw was a string of accusations then threats. It's all there: Accusing Louis of lying about his flights. Accusing Louis of lying about his lost bags. Talking about the *suspicious* practice of having money sent to his brother's bank account. Then threatening to destroy his career in the same email. If you were on the up and up, and promoters started calling you a liar, a thief, then threatened your career, would you jump at the chance to work something out?




Agreed, then sue them for hundreds of thousands for pulling this. See, all the mistaken assumptions could be forgiven, but these people don't even see that the a HUGE chunk of the blame falls on THEIR shoulders. That they came here and are attempting character assassination is absolutely disgusting. Even if Louis wasn't a friend I would be appalled.

you did not see the terms on conditions on the contract they had . i keep on going back to this because it is important . you buy a car there are terms and conditions from the manufacturer . i would not be surprised that karim signed some ridiculous contract purely based on what i have seen of his conduct on here and the emails he shared . if a dj is asking for a direct flight then there is a reason for it and why the hell do you buy them a flight with a connection .
LL should have handled this situation better and tried to settle it as fast as possible . karim has to take some of the blame here for being too desperate to put on a show even when the signs were right in front of his eyes that things were not quite moving the way they should be . so hopefully lesson learnt there .
i also have to agree here with Mj . why would a guy get on a flight if he had no intention of going to the gig ? . lets be sensible here . it really costs nothing to apply a bit of common sense .

terms and conditions from the car dealer i meant .

Yeah, whatever. Doesn't negate the fact that Karim put himself in this mess.

What is so hard to understand about the notion that there shouldn't have been a deal? That, actually, on full analysis, that there wasn't a deal at all?

Would y'all be this bothered if this were a story about a guy who flushed $12K down a toilet? Because that, in essence, is what Karim did. He did not have a contract. He had an email from someone saying they were Lil' Louis, pushing them to send him $12K.

Karim even said in the article, "something's not right about this..." and yet he STILL pressed on with it! All of this - Louis missing the flight, losing his bag, allegedly taking the money and not returning it - is moot if Karim doesn't send the money in the first place. I really don't understand what is so hard to grasp about this.

Wow man, so your saying it might not have been Louis? then why the passport and bank details and mail exchanges. Surely LL would have had lawyers jumping on this right away to clear his name?
How can you blame a promoter for trying to make a show happen and paying all up front based on the time left to do the show. I mean LL was taking days to answer back emails, days! Where were his "three agents"?

Shit Louis, you BUSTED, son!

Word. The ignorance knows no boundaries.

Whenever LL (or any other person on the planet for that matter) wants to burn a goddamn CD, he or she has to use digital data for the last goddamn step (i.e. burning the final result onto said CD). Even if you use the super fanciest CD-recorder, that can burn audio on the fly, this recorder has to convert analogue data into digital data because otherwise, there wouldnt be a way to create a goddamn CD.

So where exactly is the problem in COPYING a CD or simply COPYING the same files that you created in your super fancy awesome over the top million dollar studio onto a goddamn USB STICK or into a CLOUD?







Yeah, thats the mastering process youre talking about, which you have to do BEFORE you burn data on your CD.
But why would you need your studio to copy a .wav? And how does the file size change anything? HDDs cost next to nothing nowadays, and its not exactly rocket science to duplicate digital data. Actually, its more expensive, more complicated and more prone to failure if you use shitloads of CDs instead of simply using portable HDDs/USB sticks combined with a CDJ2000. And as I already pointed out: It does NOT change the sound quality.

Imho, after 38 years in business its just retarded to travel the world with no backup, especially when the backup would be an exact copy of the "real deal" media.

again do you know if LL uses i cloud ? i do not know so how the hell would you know . did he have a USB stick on him . i dont know that info to comment on it . all i am saying is that it is silly to make all these assumptions that he could have still played without his music . for 12k i would expect him to play something special and hearing other suggestions on here that he could have still played is depressing . no wonder we hear bog standard music in clubs if this is the attitude .

lets get real . do you personally make a habit of giving away 12K to a stranger without some solid agreement of the terms and conditions by which you are giving them the money ?. would you just walk into a bank and they give you a huge loan without a signed agreement ?. over the yrs i have had dealings with australian promoters who had their shit together . they even came with contracts of their own as they were essentially tour managers of the shows they put together for the artists i was working with . karim simply did not have his shit together . instead of defending the indefensible , help your friend in getting organized so that he does not get burnt again .
do i say that LL behaviour is right . hell no ? what i am saying though for the last time i hope is that i am not gonna judge him until i hear his side of what happened .

No problem at all, but Louis didn't do it because he wasn't anticipating his bag getting lost. Should he have had a computer with backed up files? Hell yeah. I would've. But he probably just had his iPad, which thanks Apple, you can't take tunes off due to their proprietary software

No problem at all, but Louis didn't do it because he wasn't anticipating his bag getting lost.

Completely agree with you and in fact, that's what I said myself in the rest of that post

Um no you said. Louis didn´t anticipate his bag getting lost. Which is just frankly a stupid thing to say.

I also said he should've had a computer with backed up files, but ok, you're right and I'm stupid.

MJ there is simply no use in talking to some of these despicable people on here .
you have been very nice and friendly and not one sided . you do not deserve some of the responses you are getting on here .

bro, people on the internet get charged defending their opinions, it's cool. I got nothing but love for everyone that's insulted me in this thread. I bring a lot of it onto myself for voicing my own opinion.

We disagree, no problem at all. That's what people do.

Big respect to Marshall Jefferson! No one can deny he's a good guy and whilst he's not agreed with folk or been agreed with on every point, he remained a gentlemen to all.

I'm not going to post any further on this thread.
My closing note is I hope that common sense and grown up adult behavior find a happy solution for all on this. Keeping money thats not yours is clearly wrong.

Life is very short and karma is real. Peace.

PaulWillis, my quoting skills beat yours by 5000 miles. Hard to get through all that but my "intimate" knowledge of Louis' equipment comes from when he interviewed me and Curtis McClain at my house in Chicago over a year ago. I posted that earlier.
I'll dig up some of the replies to some of my posts.

To be fair, I don't think many folk believe he deliberately set out to screw them over. The end result is the same though, as he didn't travel to Australia and didn't play the gigs. He doesn't own that money.

That's a valid point that many others posting in this thread have made. However, you don't accuse someone of being a liar and thief, then threaten them with character assassination and expect them to just pay up.

Louis did nothing out of malice and does not deserve to be treated maliciously.

You can try and dress it up as much as you like but at the end of the day he has kept 12k of other peoples money that isn´t his to keep. It´s just not cool. It´s also called theft.

Do the right thing LL and pay back!

How the hell does "having some sort of backup" lead to "bog standard music in clubs"?

Fact is: He was booked for the ridiculous fee of 12 grand. He basically said "Yes, well do". He took the first plane. Then he was heading back to Chicago (instead of taking the next flight) because his baggage and all his music got lost, so the promoters had to cancel all the events (and not just the first one because of the delayed flight).

Its not exactly the promoters job to remind an artist that hiss baggage might get lost so hed better take some backup with him. At the same time, youd expect some artist with 38 years of experience to know about possible risks of traveling the world (like getting robbed, being in an airplane crash or, surprise, not having your records with you all the time).

All Im saying is, that "i didnt have my digital media with me" is not an excuse for not performing at all.







So now its Apple's fault that LL didnt perform? And he can afford a 700USD iPad but a 100USD terrabyte-HDD is not an option?
And when do you (or dont you) "anticipate" your bag getting lost? It can happen all the time. Just as it could happen that one of your CDs is scratched. What do you do then? Stop the set because "youre unable to play the next track you wanted to play"?

Not having a backup, refusing to play because of that missing backup, and keeping 12grand for wearing the same shirt twice is ridiculous. And not even Apple's proprietary software can change that.

Of course this was after he accused them of arranging the shit so badly that any other dj would have already started a smear campaign on Facebook. Also he denied any responsibility and demanded that they put more work into him, the talent who broke the deal because he was too dumb to have a backup plan for his music. He also did not choose to give a statement to his fans, leaving the people who booked him in a PR-shitstorm. This is how they decided to deal with that PR-shitstorm.

Naaa, not Apple's fault, it's Louis' fault for not having backup media, which I said before a few times now and in fact one of those times in the rest of the post you're referencing. It is also Karim/Clarisse's fault going ahead with promotion without a signed contract, then signing a contract agreeing to pay Louis his full fee up front (which they still haven't shown) in the 11th hour. So Louis is not the only screwup here.

No matter how you look at..He commited a felony stealing $12,000 this is not petty theft this is grand larceny punishable 5 years min in Prison and also the way he excepted the money through his brothers account non taxed makes it federal...You have a case in the US I would file charges HMMMM I wonder if the IRS knows about this funneling of money into another account without getting there greedy hands on it first ...With the evidence shown here you have clear cut case ....All you pre- maddonna djs --WORD IS BOND

I'm a pre-Madonna DJ and my deepest apologies for being one.

Sad to say If you stick for bullshit like that Marshall you are part of the problem also

LOL PaulWillis because I agree with Marshall and show him some respect im dick-riding?

And you also try and blame me for your outbursts when Marshall calls you out for ragging on him

Relax dude, you are starting to look silly now.

And what is the problem?

Sweetheart read back what you wrote. ¨gushing¨comes to mind.
Don´t accuse others of trying to befriend Dj´s when you come out with utter crap like you did in relation to artists.
You clearly have no clue what your talking about.
Your comment about being outed on RA for coming up against Marshall is just pathetic.

Dumbass it seems I have more of a clue than you.

When I said he had been 'outed' I was referrring ONLY to the post Karim made where he threatened MJ's reputation in Australia. I think this was an example of Karim showing his true colours- that when pushed into a corner he makes threats. I wasn't saying that arguing with MJ was a problem. its the THREATS that I had a problem with. LOL you think I am trying to befriend MJ? what would be the point in that. Seriously why do you persist in flaming everyone who disagrees with your friend's tactics, when he doesn't even bother to do it himself? If there is anyone guilty of misplaced or over the top loyalty here, its you buddy. And dont try and belittle me by calling me sweetheart, just cos I am a female. It makes you look bad

I'd be surprised if the contract didn't also make stipulations regarding at least a partial refund for circumstances out of the promoters control that the performances didn't go ahead (as in, if it was the artists fault etc). But the lack of contract being put online - when every other thing was - lends me to believe that the promoters are hiding something, or they can't due to legal reasons, but I'd have thought that everything else they put up would also factor in to legal proceedings.

I don't think it'll damage his career now either. If anything how many people, when they see Lil Louis is coming to their town, will want to see what all the fuss is about. Probably more than before. Let's hope they aren't expecting any decent scratching going on the "skills" in the 2 videos posted up.

A few more points for those in the "facts are clear, he didn't play he shouldn't be paid" crowd.

Where are all of the missing e-mails? Karim says that he's just presenting the facts, but it's obvious that there have to be e-mails he's omitting for some reason. For example, MJ said that he had to do a lot to get his work permit, but there's only one e-mail where LL asked about work permits/ visas and there are no e-mails that ever responded to his question. Are we supposed to believe it never came up again?

And why didn't the clubs want to reschedule? At one point Melbourne and Sydney were willing to subsidize Adelaide and then they didn't want LL to come at all? Clubs have to get people in every week, so why wouldn't they want to reschedule. Is it because K&C were going to Barcelona?


It is clear that facts are being omitted, although it's not clear why.

this sucks all around, for everybody. seems they were so emotionally invested in the booking and things were finalized fairly last minute that mistakes were made, i've been in the same shoes REALLY wanting to lock in an artist and making mistakes just to hear "yes" but luckily in the hundreds not the price of a car...

hope it gets sorted out for all parties involved. there's some great perspectives on here (and some terribly funny shoes).

Though we have done our best to keep this matter private, because Karim refuses to handle this in a professional manner, we will provide even more proof of Karim’s intent and breach; namely the VISA.

We have now been informed by people familiar with international custom laws that Karim and Clarisse did not provide Louis with the proper documents to work, in fact, as confirmed by the link below, Karim and Clarisse told Louis to LIE TO IMMIGRATION, instructing Louis that when he arrived in Australia to tell custom agents that he had not come to Australia to DJ, but he was just there to meet with people.

Redacted email link attached.
www.docdroid.net/1snh/visa-.pdf.html

Thus, based on this email and these improper documents, and the fact Louis was never going to LIE to customs agents, as Karim/Clarisse instructions, but instead would’ve informed them that he was there to work, as he always does when required, we now know Louis could have either been held in customs in Australia, and/or deported and banned from ever being allowed back into Australia.

Interestingly, this email is one of many emails that Karim conveniently left out in telling his “STORY”.

So where is Louis' reply saying "sorry, I will not lie to get into the country". If he knew they wanted him to lie, but you say would never ever do such a thing, why did he start on the journey at all then? He is someone who lives in a country where djs regularly lie when going on tour so he must have figured out that Australia must be strict on this stuff if a promoter is telling him to lie. So warning signs were there for Louis too and he didn't heed to them either?

WOAH! Did I miss something here? Why the hell is everyone seemingly ganging up on Marshall? I'm seeing things from a promoters point of view and I'd be mad and want my money back, would I drag it all over the internet? I don't know I've not been in this situation and hopefully never will. However all Marshall has done is try to provide a DJs insight at the same time as offering some personal opinons, which is what every one is doing. He's even said that he would have done things differently to LL. You guys need to calm down. Throughout this entire thread he's one of the few who's comments consistently make sense.

This thread needs locking and the issue needs to be left with the correct authorities to be resolved. A quick google search suggests that no money has been paid back as previously mentioned. This could go on forever.

*EDIT - Karim - You have obviously left some of your emails out of your account which doesn't reflect well upon you as it appears you're only showing us what you want us to see. Asking someone to lie about anything is morally wrong.

@Kenbag We are not going to deal with hypothetical. We are dealing with FACTS. There is no email saying Louis agreed to say that, because he didn't. And just because someone tells you to lie, doesn't mean you will, right? Louis would not have said that he wasn't playing. He knows better. Still, the promoter is in charge of organizing work permits, not to mention the fact that Louis has never been to Australia and was not familiar with their laws. So bottom line, Karim and Clariise told Louis to lie to customs. Thus, the permits were not secured. You guys are really starting to sound silly.

People are giving MJ abuse because it makes them feel awesome that they are able to give someone famous shit. Basic Keyboard Warrior Rules. See famous person - will be extra mouthy just because they are famous. Standard internet practice tbf.

HAHA WOW that email link proves that there if definitely stuff missing from Karim/Clarisse's defamatory website.

yes and the FACT is they asked him to tell customs he WASNT gigging. in the email you just linked. And then you say he'd NEVER lie. They are asking him to lie, without saying it outright. And no one thought this fishy on his side??? What's silly about questioning that? You really aren't a very good PR front, the way you deal with this on here. Between yerself and the promoters involved yis should get a room at The Duh Inn.

Edit - Wasn't getting paid for any gigs. same difference tho. its all implied

This.

I heard from a friend about a serious situation with Lil Louis in Australia, after reading this, Firstly I have to say that I would have probably lost my mind worst than Louis did. What has been done to him is deplorable.

It takes 2 seconds to ruin someone's reputation, in this case ruining a 38 year career...

I represent many of the top artists in Dance Music, and have represented Lil Louis in several facets of the music business, I have known Louis to always be honest and professional since I've known him, (circa 2004), and he is one of the most reputable artists that I know, so I can vouch for both he and his character. Now I have to say that much of this tour was done in amateur form, and frankly I probably would have never agreed to do it at all, knowing my name was used to promote gigs without my knowledge or consent, but knowing Louis well, I knew he would do what he could not to let his fans down.

I don't know who you guys are, I don't really care who you are, but I know one thing, keeping professional is always key. WHO THE HELL POSTS A PASSPORT? or BANK INFORMATION?! This is a CRIME in itself, posting someone's most private of documentation for identity theft people to reproduce and steal... In my 26 years of business I have never heard of such things. I would sue for defamation here; posting information like this is completely unprofessional no matter what the circumstances. I know and work with most of the biggest DJs in the world, and I will inform them of what you have done.

Kenbag its on this forum in black and white, Karim said that all the Visa's were organised, it looks like he was not telling the truth

lol curator-of-dance. how come these new posters turn up just when Louis' PR team turn up