now why would you classify Lil Louis as 'Hype' and no talent? which is basicly what you're saying right? only because he hasn't done anything new? come on dude, you (an artist i consider to know his music) should know better than that. you sound bitter.., but don't hate the player, hate the game. ps: dig ur music

@the_orakle First know WHO you're talking to and about. Anyone that knows Louis knows that he is not a laptop DJ. He does not use USB keys or laptops. He gets booked because he is the Founding Father of House Music and knows how to rock the hell out of a crowd. He always plays his sets via CDs or vinyl. Review any interview of his and you'll see that. You did read the rider, right?

@rosseldridge- Unlike Karim and his group that’s perpetuating these lies, Louis has taken the professional route and contacted his legal department to end all this foolishness. In the end, the proof will be aired and his name will be restored. And this is not a matter for public forum. You wouldn’t want that done to you.

All parties be aware that our office has all of the legal documentations that proves your allegations are false and thus, we will use every effort to enforce all of our client’s rights, and collect any damages from you and anyone making these accusations on Mr. Burns’ behalf.

@Amir_Alexander- I was just waiting for someone to say something crazy like that. So I’m glad you said so… The problem with your opinion is that it like others shows the lack of respect that people have for those that paved the way for the David Guetta’s, the Aviici’s, and so on. All of which get hundreds of thousands and even millions per show. But when someone stands up and ask for what their worth and clearly what people known their worth- they paid. People like you think that that’s wrong. I don’t know you but if you are a DJ and you can command a value then you should get your money. Don’t knock someone for making their worth cause you’re too afraid to ask for what you want.

@the_orakle First know WHO you're talking to and about. Anyone that knows Louis knows that he is not a laptop DJ. He does not use USB keys or laptops. He gets booked because he is the Founding Father of House Music and knows how to rock the hell out of a crowd. He always plays his sets via CDs or vinyl. Review any interview of his and you'll see that. You did read the rider, right?

@rosseldridge- Unlike Karim and his group that’s perpetuating these lies, Louis has taken the professional route and contacted his legal department to end all this foolishness. In the end, the proof will be aired and his name will be restored. And this is not a matter for public forum. You wouldn’t want that done to you.

All parties be aware that our office has all of the legal documentations that proves your allegations are false and thus, we will use every effort to enforce all of our client’s rights, and collect any damages from you and anyone making these accusations on Mr. Burns’ behalf.

@Amir_Alexander- I was just waiting for someone to say something crazy like that. So I’m glad you said so… The problem with your opinion is that it like others shows the lack of respect that people have for those that paved the way for the David Guetta’s, the Aviici’s, and so on. All of which get hundreds of thousands and even millions per show. But when someone stands up and ask for what their worth and clearly what people known their worth- they paid. People like you think that that’s wrong. I don’t know you but if you are a DJ and you can command a value then you should get your money. Don’t knock someone for making their worth cause you’re too afraid to ask for what you want.

Ok. I'll clarify.
I'm speaking more about the scenario than about any specific player in this tragedy. (Which is wack as fuck and has nuff hype dirt all over it). Now, before I continue let me state unequivocally that I respect Game as much as respect is due. The DJ who shall remain innocent until proven guilty is a living legend. Yes? That is not up for debate. No one can fuck with what he's done but diva is diva. Five stacks a show???? Fees like that cause the paper to become the focus instead of the music, but I digress.......
One of the main problems as I see it is the horrific amounts of wasted money time energy and resources put into catering to sustaining and sometimes inducing a capitalist diva mindset into what should be a communal artistic gathering of like minded individuals. I can have the utmost respect for the artist in question and have distaste for the scenario at the same time with no contradictions what so ever. Cats are coasting on their "legacy" every day of the week. To deny this is denying fact. I'm just stating my opinion I guess (when it comes to new works that may or may not resonate with me). Perhaps that's how I should state it. If you're a DJ out there trying to push the cutting edge every night (instead of giving me something I've been hearing for the last 20 years) then you get mad props no matter what. Derrick May hasn't released new material in a minute, but no one can touch him. Some of these other DJ "Legends" can get touched by most of the DJ's I know. Pro or bedroom. All of which play vinyl exclusively (with the exception of the unreleased joint thrown in from time to time).
More Art. Less Hype.
Once again, I state "no disrespect intended toward any of the parties concerned, their friends, significant other's, fans, or their moms. I also reiterate that everyone is innocent until proven guilty".
Peace!

I like turtles

Respect to Amir Akexander.

He is right. I agree with the promoter 100% (Karim)...

It seems Karim is passionate about the dance music scene and wanted to invite Lil Louis (a supposed legend) to play at his event.

Hell, I hate my job. If Lil Lois would realise how lucky he is to travel the world and get paid $4000 for a 2 hour gig.

Furthermore, the comment about "old cats " living off their legacy is justified in some instances.

I live in Sydney and paid $150 to see the one and only *** FRANKIE KNUCKLES** for New Years a few years back.... Frankie was so arrogant... You could barely get a smile out of him... Furtheremore, he seemed completely disinterested in being at this party....All of my friends agreed it was a big dissapointment in going to this event.... obviously, anyone can have a bad day but if I was getting paid $20,000 for a show I certainly would try a bit harder. (regardless of any other issues)

IMO a bit of modesty and humbleness goes a long way.

I dont see any reason why Karim would post this other than to tell the truth, what would be his incentive ???
You guys are forgetting $12,000 does'nt lie around on the street nor do the other sunk costs as accomoodation.

The bottom line is karma is a bitch and French Kiss is now a sour pout...

can somebody paypal me when the next installment is updated? I loved this read, would've made for good fiction but it is hard to turn away from this train wreck.

ABrandCalledU its not defamation, it's all simply email correspondance, nothing has been altered or left out. As Lil Louis is a public interest figure, this is in the public interest to write about what he has done. Are you advocating the theft of $12,000 from promoters who paid him in advance for his services that he didn't render? It's pretty basic. This is not ok. Hopefully he will do the right thing and return the money to the promoters.

Abrandcalledu just read your other post! It's hilarious! he's trying to sue someone as he stole 12k off them!! Good luck with that! You and Lil Louis are delusional

Also in relation to his tech rider, yeah the "legend" was playing cd's. Which he put in his checked case with no back up whatsover in his carry on bag that he brought on the plane. Real smart.

All I can think about is his classic song "I Called U"..(but you weren't home)..

"I booked U but you didnt show"..

If anybody needs a lawyer, please hire @ABrandCalledU. At least you know when evidence and odds aren't stacked in your favour, he'll go down swingin for you.

Hey Karim, you posted a lot of Lil Louis' personal info, enough to commit bank fraud on his business accounts. While you may be miffed, your recollection of what happened via tumblr is going to negatively affect you in litigation. That tumblr is the definition of defamation

the bank statement was blanked out with any personal info. Only person committing fraud here is Lil Louis and he did that when he STOLE 12k. Funny how most of the comments trying to defend Louis are all from profiles with restricted access

Of course, you haven't exactly shared the fact that you are Clarisse....

@amiralexander you're clearly not aware of how this game works. if promoters agree with Lil Louis' '5 stacks', then that's what he's worth.

i can see where you're coming from, but you're making it way too personal. while music comes first to many respected artists, you also should be aware that besides the music it's a proper business.

so you gonna hate on other (old or new) big names too? just because they're trying to make money with what they love/like (to do)? cause believe me, i used to think just like you as well.., but it's a naive thought, good for nothing except negativiy and bitterness. "it is what it is" (to quote the legend that unlike the others apparentely still wettens your pants)..

but seriously.., i hear your frustration about 'old cats' taking the job you think fresh relevant artists such as yourself should deserve, but hating on that situation won't help you a damn thing..

in the end of all, this is still an industry mostly based (unfortunately?) on 'the known', mostly because the audience want's 'the known'.., so if Lil Louis and other cats still live of that, why shouldn't they?

first you swallow, then you spit, my 2 cents.

ps: just want to make clear i don't know Lil Louis in any way, other than that he massively inspired me (and you) with his music. and i have no judgement whatsoever about this 'stolen money?' situation, other than i find it rather amusing and a great distraction next to my daily routine of things *popcorn*

sadly it's all about the money

Excellent

I don't know who is right here. There are many biased parties in here.

However I kinda agree with Amir Alexander. I am surprised there is this much fuss about Lil Louis today. Multiple gig offers for a particular weekend? That one surprised me.

If the tumblr is true, it is not defamation.

Reading that email it looks like the promoter is fucking clueless.

I think this was personal and the promoter wanted to spend fleeting insecure time with louis and kiss his legend status ass and got rejected, nothing quite like a hustler scorned.

And the other thing if you want instantaneous new flavor over long time longevity.

YO.TIME.IS.UP!

..this will no doubt come as news to Jesse Saunders and Frankie Knuckles

A quick question...If you had an employee that didnt show up for work, for what ever reason.If they missed the bus or their car broke down, would you still pay them for the days they didnt work?Even if it wasn't their own fault?i dont think so.Just sounded like it was all a bit too hard for him.

Some of the peeps voicing their opinions about the promoters on here don't sound like they've ever booked so much as a taxi before!

I've worked with Clarisse before on trying to get a US artist to the UK earlier in the year. It didn't come off because the guys running the event the night before us couldn't confirm in time for us to announce our gig, thus throwing all the flight shares etc up in the air. We had to leave it and move on, cos our line up was complete but for that one artist and we needed to announce on a particular date.

But that shit happens; it's a long sequence of events that all need to sync perfectly to get these things off the ground. Clarisse was perfectly professional, honest and worked her proverbials off right up until the deadline to try and make it happen. It didn't work out in the end, despite a number of late night/early morning phone calls to and from the UK to Aus, but even so I wouldn't hesitate to use or recommend her again.

That's not me bumlicking a mate either, I barely know the girl save for the above. Just pointing out it's not as easy as some people here seem to think, although to be fair, it shoulda been a whole lot easier than Louis appears to have made it.

For everyone wondering why such a big deal was made about Lil Louis, you do have to understand that he had never been to Australia before in his career. It's not just like jumping on a flight to Europe - Australia is a sparse place and not the easiest to get to, which is why you try to cram in as much as you can.

anyone got any sulph?

Thanks Louis! Wasn't aware I was hiding from anyone

I got some jellies from these guys, gouchy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP1ySl2oyxg

My mate once got ripped off by a builder who took a £200 deposit and didn't complete his patio. The builder wasn't Lil Louis or the 'founding father of house music' though.

10s or 20s?

and did you have to pay in advance?

Did he claim to be the "Founding Father of General Building work" though?? Because if he did then that is just wrong!

10's for in the boozer, then a couple 20's for back up the road.

Paid for them via PayPal

sounds fucking rocking begoid. :

players make up the game, so hate 'm both

The final chapter (8) is about as much damning evidence as you could get against Lil Louis. He had no reason whatsoever not to board that flight to Sydney.

To take money from someone, and give them your word (which he did) that you will honour your agreement, and then callously break that trust, is one of the most pitiful things a human being can do.

I look forward to hearing news of the legal proceedings... this s*** would be awesome on Judge Judy

the thing fucking shits me the most is that all of us in the u ground scene in Sydney don't do this for a living its our hard earned money from our jobs ... we don't need pieces of shit like that in the scene as we dont do it for a profit we do it for the love of the sound !!!!!!

these producers don't understand and its numerous ones in the states that we dont have millions here 75% of the time we break even and the other 25 % is a loss but we do it cause we love it FUCK it annoys me man

HysSydney, it's only a guy playing CD's. Surely you must have a mate that will do it for less than 4k who doesn't need business class by the window to get there?

lol bro honestly....

thats how it is here in sydney and australia the scene is not big at all i feel for karim on this situation we do it from our hard earned money from normal jobs.....

we do it for the love of the sound

theres no massive profits like europe and japan

and shit like that doesnt help....

I have read the whole thing.

What I find surprising is whenever I get a 2-leg flight I don't have to collect my checked in bags during the stop, they just get automatically moved from one plane to the next.
So how would it be possible to know as the passenger at this point that bags had been lost?
As far as I can see it wouldn't be possible.

Also, if you are a touring DJ the idea that you would not have some sort of backup of your music is ridiculous.
You could:
- Have a USB backup in hand luggage and burn CDs from it if necessary.
- Have an online storage backup and download then burn if necessary.
- Have a friend/family member at home who could Fed-Ex a back-up to you.
The idea that he had to fly back to Chicago himself to burn more CDs is laughable.

Personally I smell a rat here and think Louis is pulling a fast one for some reason.
And even if he's not and he's telling the truth about the luggage and flights then he should just refund the performance fee.
Simple as that.

PabloLaco you took the words out of my mouth. There is absolutely no reason why you would go looking for your bag or think it's lost as it goes directly on the next connecting flight. How his bag made the connecting flight and not him is the biggest joke.

Surely anyone with any scruples would just return the fee, especially when they are the ones who have fucked up by 'forgetting their music', if this is actually what happened?

I wonder how this has ended, i really hope that promoters got their money back and the "talent" got his lesson.

+10000000000

@PacoLoco Exactly!

You need to clarify really, in fairness you were rambling.

It's great that someone finally has the courage and willing to put the effort into exposing someone like this. LL has been running off his 'legendary' status and obviously up until now has thought of himself as untouchable.
EDIT:
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http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rxttg/

So, I'm inclined to think Louis got lost in the airport not realizing he didn't have to pick up his luggage and not making it in time for the second flight. It's messed up how he tried to blame it on the airline though and how he's not paying back the performance fee...

Unless you only play vinyl only releases, there is no way that losing baggage is a reason for not getting on a plane to a gig, is there? If you are any kind of professional artist you will have all your crap insured, and have ways to assure you can still perform. This story would have to be lies 90% percent of the time for a judge not to say in court: you still could have found ways to fulfill your contract mister louis.

What happened is that mister louis felt he lost the means (his music) to be able to perform as he would want at the place he would have to perform, which was not the fault of the people paying for him. Frustration about the process in which that happens doesn't change any of that. Does it? That means that he should refund

Sorry to the promoters but come on this looked dodgy from the beginning. Are you naive or something?
Why the hell persist with somebody who was an asshole and made it difficult from the start?
To pay that kind of money, put up with that behavior and to adhere to all those crazy ass demands seems also a bit desperate.
He made like one big record.

After following this thread, I can surely affirm that "ABrandCalledU" is, in fact, Lil Louis. This makes him stupid a second time: not only you stole 15k from a promoter, but you also go on forums telling that you're "the Founding Father of House Music" and you "knows how to rock the hell out of a crowd" making yourself just more ridiculous.

Let's start with your nickname. "A Brand Called U", from USA. Read the story, and check out the name of the company used to evade USA taxes: "A Mans diary". A vague resemblance? Perhaps the same these lines have in common: one's taken from "A Brand Called U" and the other from the Louis emails.






And just how do you know that?



Really? Looks like you know him so well! But the best is yet to come...



Even more ridiculous. Are you a legal office? Do you really think legal offices waste time on public forums trying to cover their clients crimes? Really, you're not just a douchebag: you're even stupid.



Yeah! Go on pumping your ego! "Someone of his caliber": wtf? Do you really think you can commit a crime like stealing money just because you have a pretty dick face and sold some records? Even if you were the president of the united states you're not allowed to scam promoters: insulting them of non-professionalism just because you can't bring some baggage in a paid flight without loosing them is idiotic. They've been more than professionals with an arse like you.



There's an entire website dedicated to this. It is called whoislillouis.com and it talks about a gig you've missed without refounding the promoter. Read it: you may learn something.



You did that by your own hands. First by scamming a promoter who tried to accomodate all of your idiotic needs. Secondly, by going in a public forum writing how cool you are as a dj and how unprofessional the promoter was. If I didn't saw your passport in the website, I'd say you're a 3 years old child. Do you really think people are so stupid to be fooled like this?

Ba.......BAAAAMMMM!!!!!

I called you (but you weren't there)

Where did you go.